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Re: odd vin or not? [Re: 6bblgt] #2222012
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3431150314 was shipped new to REGION #41 DEALER #61491 on 1/2/63

41 = Cincinnati REGION

61491 = ?? (out of business by '71) blush (fixed year)

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Re: odd vin or not? [Re: 52savoy] #2222015
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I guess the "8" is the only screw up... That's good.

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Originally Posted By 6bblgt
3431150314 was shipped new to REGION #41 DEALER #61491 on 1/2/64

41 = Cincinnati REGION

61491 = ??



Hopefully someone will come up with the dealer info. The car has been in Ohio as long as I can remember. Makes sense now.

That's a late shipping date for a '63 model.

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Re: odd vin or not? [Re: markz528] #2222017
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Lynch rd? Parts book calls it Plymouth plant - Detroit. Same place?


yes, same plant - they probably stopped calling it "Plymouth plant" when they started building Dodges there also - it's "LYNCH RD" in the '65 Parts Catalog (I don't have a '64)

Re: odd vin or not? [Re: 6bblgt] #2222020
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I think the paint is causing the confusion scope I see "34", maybe?

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Re: odd vin or not? [Re: 52savoy] #2222026
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I wanted to see the vin myself but that wasn't possible. The picture of the vin was texted to me today because being stored in a packed garage.

How does the fender tag look and decode(exactly)?

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Yeah. Just some outside eyes that knows nothing of the subject, seeing those VIN's side-by-side, I can see the first number being a legitimate "3."

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I just want to say thanks for taking time to figure this out. I know Rick(the owner) will be pleased. The car is pretty beat up from decades of serious drag racing and neglect. He was going to just make it street legal and leave it as is.

Just a little history of the car... in the 70s and 80s, this car won a number big bracket races in Division 3 besides being a local winner often. They ran different motors, from a 383 w/max wedge heads to 440s.. The 383 combo ran as quick as 10.20 or30.. back then. I wish I could give more information on the car as a max wedge but don't have any. One former owner might know more. I'll try and get a hold of him.. It's over 30 years since I talked with him but what the heck.

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Re: odd vin or not? [Re: 52savoy] #2222052
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scope body should be stamped "3112271903"

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it's one of 31

1963 Sport Fury hardtop 13:1 426MW auto (Super Stock I)

bucket seats & big compression up

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You can send off the vin number to Chrysler Historical and they will send you some paperwork with a copy of the IBM card for fifty bucks. Well with it IMO.

Re: odd vin or not? [Re: 52savoy] #2222109
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Dan, so the car was ordered in December of 1962 and wasn't delivered until Jan of 1964... That's one heck of a delivery.

oh one other thing.. it would be a Super Stock II. They never made I's.

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Isn't there a book with all the MW VIN's listed?


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Originally Posted By slantzilla
Isn't there a book with all the MW VIN's listed?


yes

Re: odd vin or not? [Re: 52savoy] #2222268
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Originally Posted By 52savoy
Originally Posted By 6bblgt
3431150314 was shipped new to REGION #41 DEALER #61491 on 1/2/64

41 = Cincinnati REGION

61491 = ??



Hopefully someone will come up with the dealer info. The car has been in Ohio as long as I can remember. Makes sense now.

That's a late shipping date for a '63 model.


Typo, looks like he fixed it , that should read 1/2/63


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Originally Posted By 6bblgt
it's one of 31

1963 Sport Fury hardtop 13:1 426MW auto (Super Stock I)

bucket seats & big compression up


and a heater and radio ...


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Not odd to have radio and or heater.many were driven on the street.Remember the old man almost bought a 62 Maxi that had both.The guy drove it pretty much everday as his driver.Was a 3 speed stick car.Was on local Plymouth dealers lot for at the time 350.Turned down a 64 light weight car with heater and no motor trans.Didnt buy it because of no place to store it.Rocky


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Yes, some (most) of the above info is from Darrell Davis' Max Wedge guides.
he has the early '63s listed as "Super Stock I" & the late cars as "Super Stock II".

clarity from Greg Lane's Race HEMI - Max Wedge web site:

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What does all this stage stuff mean?

A lot of people including myself always thought the three stages of Max Wedge engines pertained to the year and the engine that year. I went around talking like I knew this stuff but really didn't. I called the 1962-413 Max Wedge "Stage I", the 1963-426 Max Wedge was a "Stage II" and the 1964-426 Max Wedge was a "Stage III". That's what a lot of people called them. As I began collecting Mopar technical bulletins and other unusual literature I learned the answer to the stage question.
First off, the a 413 Maximum Performance Wedge is NOT a "Stage I" Max Wedge. It is simply a 413 Maximum Performance Wedge or Max Wedge if you prefer to keep this simple. When the 1962 413 Max Wedge was dreamed up they simply called it a Max. Perf. Wedge. In 1963 the engine size was increased to 426 cubic inches and was simply referred to as the 426 Max. Perf. Wedge. They didn't start calling the 413 a "Stage I" and the new 426 a "Stage II" like some of you might think.

The way the "stage" thing got started was when Chrysler was coming out with an improved version of the already existing 426 Max Wedge Package in May 1963. The improvements included bigger carbs and an intake modified to use them, a clutch fan for less horse power robbing drag on the engine and improved cooling, some slight port machine work not on the previous 413 and 426 Max Wedge heads. They also moved the battery to the trunk for better weight distribution. The engine though, with the new improvements was still a 426 so they referred to it as a "426 Super Stock II" for the Plymouths and a "Ramcharger 426A" for the Dodges. That's where the "Stage I" and "Stage II" talk started. Then in 1964 they made some more improvemnets to the engine and it was referred to as a "426 Super Stock III" for Plymouth. The Dodge version was referred to "Ramcharger 426III". The common term became "Stage III".

So there you have it. The 413 Max Wedge was simply the 413 Max Wedge. The 426 Max Wedges are the true Stages I, II and III. Now you know the correct way to sound like you know what you are talking about. I'll bet there a few of you out there that just can't wait to correct someone out there when they call the 413 a Stage I. I know because I was waiting like a lion waiting to pounce on the first guy that screwed up in front of me. How sweet that was. Maybe later I will get a chance to get into the nuts and bolts of the details for these separate "stage" packages when I have a lot more time

Greg Lane

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Originally Posted By JohnRR
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it's one of 31

1963 Sport Fury hardtop 13:1 426MW auto (Super Stock I)

bucket seats & big compression up


and a heater and radio ...


it also had white wall tires when new ...

my point was this car is the "ODDITY" - it's the top of the line Sport Fury hardtop with its fancy bucket seat interior & a High Compression MAX WEDGE engine under the hood.

Plymouth Max Wedge cars for 1963 model year:
total: 1,124
Sport Fury hardtop: 230
Sport Fury hardtop w/13:1 426MW & auto: 31

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Dan, I think that adds more confusion. 13.5 motors were different than 11.1 motors. I believe even camshafts were bigger. I'll have to check my Chrysler spec books to be sure. But for now I'm sticking with Super Stock II.

Production numbers look pretty low for Sport Furys. My first mopar was a '63 Sport Fury 383 4 speed, black with red and white interior/console

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