Is this legal?

Peter - when are you going to address the issues that people are experiencing? If the product is that good back it up. I can't see how buying the box from you solves any of the installation issues and i have yet to see you address any of the quality fitment issues in writing. The B Box should drop right in like the stock box without SHIMS and it does not. If the steering set up/wheel alignment is good with the stock parts and the B Box has issues the problem is with the box, not the car. Coupling misalignment are not ok either. It's not designed to work that way.

As for Tim's Hot Rod Valiant handling being vague in the center of steering travel with the firm feel box - maybe it's time the box got a look see. Hot laps does take it's toll on equipment. My experience with the FF Stage 3 on road course car is nothing but excellent and I would not hesitate ever to use any firm Feel Product product.

I can't comment on the Borgeson box but I have the FF stage 3 in my Charger and love it. I am not going to claim it makes the car feel like it has rack and pinion but it does address 75% of the steering vagueness you had with a standard rebuilt box.

Not to mention that Dick @ FF is top-notch and took time to talk with me and answer any questions I had.

Laughably enough the old ancient technology stock Mopar box and the state of the art, all modern and good, latest and greatest invention since sliced bread Borgeson box are both recirculating ball designs.

Steering ratios are similar.

um, grizz, i have no dog in this fight, nor do i have any experience with the borg box. but..... using your statement, ALL new vehicles with struts for steering components are therefore illegal on your streets and highways. the spring mounts are WELDED onto the strut body as well as the strut MOUNTS to the hub carrier. and from looking at factory as well as aftermarket replacement struts, some of those WELDS are not very nice. however, it seems there is not a problem for those WELDED steering components being LEGAL. modifications to components that include welds may be in fact illegal where you are at, but WELDED steering components from the OEMs and aftermarket are most certainly legal. again, not picking on you, nor do i have any experience with the borg box.

Argue amongst yourselves all you like. I expect more from you Tom since you seemed like a decent guy when we met years ago. I have clearly identified myself and am happy to answer questions to any aspect of these parts. In typical Moparts fashion, lots of pot shots are taken from behind the keyboards. TJP lets talk. Looks from your site you have interest in Mopars but your site doesn't say your name. Have you purchased from me in the past?

No Sir, I have typically bought directly from Borgeson or other sources that sell their "kits". SO no offense meant to you or your business.
The OP asked for real users opinions on Borgeson vs Firm feel. I felt compelled to comment on my experiences with Borgeson Kits and their tech support.

I ordered two boxes through Bergman and couldn't have been happier. Both installs are still performing the way they did on day one. I can't speak for the first version of the box (this is the one that seems to take all the flak), but the second version boxes that I bought installed into both cars without any issue caused by the box itself. Only hiccup I ran into was having to shore up my K-frame due to flexing.

If I had another Mopar I would be calling Bergman to order another.

Did you happen to have headers on your cars? I'm interested in how well they fit.

Yeah, both cars have the standard small block A/F/J/M 1 5/8 header with the three tubes under the steering link. I had to jack the motor up to get the old box out, but the new one slid in through the top without having to keep the motor suspended.

The smaller box should make it easier when swapping to a big block in the Spring.

I have the same problem right now. Otherwise, the steering box is good on the road. I like it. My steering is pretty direct, point-and-shoot. I didn't buy mine from Bergman, so I have nothing to argue with him about.

For all steering box lookers, you may want to try out Lares. They rebuild boxes but also build boxes and I'd not be srprised to find that they build them for Firm Feel and Borgeson.
They are in Minnesota, easily found online.

R.

Just to clarify - I was not bashing FF products. Just stating my experience with the Stage 3 box. It is possible that the box just needed to be freshened.