Help Identifying rear end in 33 Dodge!?!?
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Hi, Hopefully I'm posting in the correct section here. I have a 1933 Dodge DP that was my grandfathers and has been sitting since he passed away in 2000. I have been doing a lot of work to it but my new project is the brakes. And I have no Idea what the rear is from, My dad said it possibly came from a rambler? Would anyone be able to identify this by the pic? It has a tag with 3.54 gears. And a stamp with saying US PAT. 2018188 Its similar in size to a Mopar 7 1/4" I'm hoping to identify this so I can get wheel cylinders and brakes.. Any help is appreciated!
1996 cummins diesel ext cab, long bed 1966 Valiant 4dr(318- 3.55gears, 13.31@ 102mph), 1974 Duster(360- 13.63@ 99.96 w/3.23 gears), 1933 Dodge DP (201)
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Re: Help Identifying rear end in 33 Dodge!?!?
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it looks like you are using a hub puller for the drums in the second pic. ramblers used those type axles, i believe, almost until the demise of american motors. if it has a sure grip type rear, and it is a rambler, there could be a tag on it saying "twin traction". i can't offer any ideas about what the rear may be, or the application, but you may be able to get an idea by measuring the drum, brake shoes, and see if there are any numbers on the wheel cylinders. grampa had a very nice car. glad you are getting it back in circulation. if worse comes to worse, you could always just swap out the rear to something with more desirable [and easier to work on] flanged axles. if you find out what that rear is, let us know please. just curious. if it were a jeep axle, in the 66 up year range, i think it would be a 5 on 5 1/2" bolt pattern with a very large hub register [to clear the front locking hubs] which would require adapters to run your original wheels. ramblers were a 5 on 4 1/2" bolt pattern with a 2.790-2.800 [or so] hub register, same as your wheels should be.
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Re: Help Identifying rear end in 33 Dodge!?!?
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Thanks for the responses! I started by looking up the Dana 30 for a jeep and started finding lots of pics that looked like the correct center. And I cross referenced that and found several things it could have come from like a jeep, rambler, Studebaker and a few others. It has 9" brakes, I haven't taken the drums off yet. It is an open rear for sure not sure grip. The spring perches are 42.5" center to center, look to be in original spot. Once I get the drums off I can measure the piston of the old wheel cylinders. Saw several different sizes listed for that size rear..
1996 cummins diesel ext cab, long bed 1966 Valiant 4dr(318- 3.55gears, 13.31@ 102mph), 1974 Duster(360- 13.63@ 99.96 w/3.23 gears), 1933 Dodge DP (201)
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Re: Help Identifying rear end in 33 Dodge!?!?
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Most Dana rear ends will have a BOM number stamped in the right tube (see red oval below) which will ID it. Scrape off the rust/crud and look for the number.
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Re: Help Identifying rear end in 33 Dodge!?!?
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Delayed thanks for everyones input. Been working on lots of projects... I ordered wheel cylinders for a 1958 American ramber and they fit perfect. Its a 7 3/4" gear. Also cleaned up the rear, gasket was leaking badly! And was able to wash it off and take some pictures! Still need a cylinder head for it that isn't cracked!
1996 cummins diesel ext cab, long bed 1966 Valiant 4dr(318- 3.55gears, 13.31@ 102mph), 1974 Duster(360- 13.63@ 99.96 w/3.23 gears), 1933 Dodge DP (201)
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Re: Help Identifying rear end in 33 Dodge!?!?
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That basic flathead six remained in production until 1959 in cars. You may find help, there are clubs that do pretty extensive gathering of reproductions. For example, https://www.chryslerclub.org/reproduction.html. Then there is the Plymouth Owners Club, you definitely want to belong to it. Started out as the Plymouth 4 and 6 cylinder Owners Club. Here's the application for membership. http://clubs.hemmings.com/plymouthowners/2006-images/application.pdfThere is an aluminum higher compression head that was optional on your engine, the Red Head. R.
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Re: Help Identifying rear end in 33 Dodge!?!?
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Delayed thanks for everyones input. Been working on lots of projects... I ordered wheel cylinders for a 1958 American ramber and they fit perfect. Its a 7 3/4" gear. Also cleaned up the rear, gasket was leaking badly! And was able to wash it off and take some pictures! Still need a cylinder head for it that isn't cracked! The 23 on the lower right side of the center housing casting is what identifies the rear end type. Spicer or Dana corporation, depending on what year it was produced. Very likely it came from a Studebaker as they used them in a lot of their lower powered cars. The higher number on the center casting, such as 27, 30, 44 and so on get stronger as the number increases, but the overall width (at least on Stude) remain the same. Studebaker, as well as Rambler used that style of drum for most all of their cars.
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