As someone who doesn't spray I can only make an assumptions. So here goes. Bang for the buck a 200 shot is as cheap and easy as it gets. Quality kit, proper fuel delivery, proper ignition timing and away you go. Now if you combo has tight ring gaps, thin ring lands, poor oil control you could be on a path to destruction. Certainly higher levels of power adder will require more specialized components. Going on the edge is going to require precise tuning and a motor specifically designed for spray. But from what I can see the lower level hits aren't rocket science. Just like anything else. Better parts will survive more power. A 400 hp N/A motor is easy, as is a 400hp spray motor. A 1000 hp spray motor has to be a pretty decent piece but not state of the art ports, high compression, wild cam, etc. A 1000hp N/A motor is going to need some compression, good flowing heads, and some pretty good valve train, thus more than likely more costly. Either way most of us always want to go quicker. Just different definitions of how fast is fast. Everyone has their own challange as how to do it. If I could make 1K a day tuning I'd quit my day job and spend the money building a faster car.
Doug

I'm looking forward to trying some spray next year but I will always have my NA builds too

If I cage this heap then I won't get the boot every damn time so maybe we can hang and beat this thing but till then, one pass, one kill...........lol

No I wish tho...

I get a $1000 a day to go to the track and do what so many think is easy. Have to turn people down because I don't have the time to go.........wonder how many N/A tuners are having that problem?




^^^Here you go spareparts^^^

No one but you cares how fast you're going on motor. The only thing that matters is turning on the win light.

I was like you are a few years ago...just got bored so I decided to step it up. I ran mine on motor for 8 years even though I intended on spraying it from the start. Now that I've run it for a while, I might as well sell my N/A torque converter b/c it'll never go back in the car.

I flew the N/A flag for a long time in the local street car classes, but eventually got tired of getting outrun by cars w/ way less motor and a little nitrous. You know how easy it is to run in the 5s w/ a little mild small block mustang and a 250 shot? I have a friend w/ a REALLY mild 383 sbc in a full interior fox body mustang street car. On an untuned 200 shot it goes low 6.20s. When I say mild 383, I mean you could put it in your tow truck and let your grandma drive it.
Like Monte said, a 6.anything 1/8 mile is first round fodder in street car stuff anymore unless you get real lucky. Unless you're high 4s or bottom 5s you don't have much of a chance really. Last street car shootout I ran in I got beat in the 2nd round by the eventual winner who runs 4.70s. There's at least 3 that always show up that run similar times.

That's honestly not a bad deal IMO,unlike some Monte isn't just a nitrous tuner he knows how to get a car down a track

Gotta go with that....learnt that a long time ago, we don't get many chances to win any £££'s in the UK but there was an event that had a £250 prize, it was H-Up all out affair. My 340 was a 12.4 NA car and long story short, I came up against a '70 440 Cuda in the final, running 12.3, the guy said to me don't use your Nitrous and make it a race, well reality kicked in and I thought, I've never won anything yet so go for it, being nice don't cut it...took all the boys down the pub that night on my winnings.....sorry for the long story.

You guys are STILL missing one point on this subject with Dom. He is in the process of starting a business building carbs and guys (yes guys on this site) send their carbs to Dom because of how well his car runs NA. As soon as he hits it with nitrous its a whole different story. I was in the same boat with my Duster and porting heads. Guys would see how it ran with Edelbrock heads and a simple combo NA and I picked up work because of it. I had all the work I wanted without advertising or ever needing to ship a set of heads. Its was nice being in a position to turn down work. He can and will make up his mind but until he gets his car track legal and a better stronger rear-end so he can really hit it I'm betting he will lose some work he may have picked up. If he's not promoting and using his car as a business expense he BETTER get a better tax accountant. After all advertising is a tax write-off.

So let me get this straight...
He will lose business simply b/c he puts nitrous on his car and goes faster?
Everyone will forget how good it ran before on motor?
The carb is no longer important b/c the car has nitrous on it?

If you can build carbs, you can build carbs, nobody cares about your own car. I doubt anyone sends their carb to Dom because of how his car runs. They send it because he gives good advice in the carb threads, knows what he is talking about and guys who HAVE sent their carbs to him have had good results.

Moparts gets new member everyday so no everyone will not remember how it ran NA. Thumpers car is not legal now to run the time he is and now you guys are saying to make it go faster. How about fixing the car to make it legal then really lay down a nice number. With or without nitrous. The trouble is that he will add weight making the car better so its not a win, win situation. We just had a racer die (in Texas) in a non-legal car. Lets try to make the sport safer, not worse.

Again a nos and n/a tune are identical and if me spraying loses customers, then I guess I don't need those BUT I want as many as I can get. I DON'T RACE.............I compete w/ME only and the Dart is my vessel to test my tuning skills both good and bad and have NO desire to race in events EVER or go for the $$$$ so it's not about whoopin someone it's about getting my car to perform at it's peak and I'm not too far off imo w/more to come n/a FIRST then maybe a hit or three........... You are correct Pit, safety is a concern and I think about it on every pass and plan on caging it if I don't sell it..........

This right here. As an example, Chad the guy that owns the black Buick has a 17 year old son just getting into racing. They built him a 72 Nova with a smallblock. Picked up the motor locally for a few grand. Really know nothing about it, other that it has a stock block with some aluminum heads. The Nova weighs around 3000lbs with the kid in it. Has 29.5s on leafs. On motor it goes 6.70s-6.80s and he can drive it to school or anywhere else. I dug around in my spares pile and we put a Big shot plate on it with a 175ish tune. We turn on the nitrous .4-.6 out with a timer and it goes 6.00 and he runs the 6.0 index class. Car is deadly consistent and kid is good on the tree. Always qualifies top of the ladder and he has won a couple races. Will win more once he learns to race the stripe better. When we spray it gate to gate it goes 5.70s with a nothing motor on a small shot

6.70-6.80 is making way more than 500 crank HP at that weight. Not bad for a junk SB.

Sent you a PM Dominic but that was before I read about your adapter.

These days a 500hp smallblock is nothing. That's just a decent thrown together build. I think he gave $3500 for the motor. Like I said, its a stock block deal with some decent alum heads. We THINK it has a flat tappet cam, not even sure...........LOL!!!

We will welcome you to the meetings.......

Hi,
I'm Bob and I'm a Nitrous-aholic...........

No BS buy a kit that you can grow into because 150 hit will only make you want to go to 250 hit and on and on and on....LOL!

And on the subject of racing for/ME as Dom says thats exactly what I did, I wanted to run a 9 with my old junk stock block motor....when I managed to get it to 10.7 NA, I hit it next run (same tune) with a 170 shot and went 9.96...job done....last run, nobody cares how you did it, what counts is the numbers and you did it for you.

w/ what Biginchmopar said...buy a big kit to start with or you'll regret it later.

It DOES matter to me how fast I go n/a and anything less than a 6.05 is acceptable and a 5.70 on a baby hit or not worth the effort........