TIRED OF BEING SLOOOOOWWWWW.....................

So, Mr. n/a forever(me)has decided to spray a small(150)hit on my dart for giggles and was looking at the PUCK system since I can't run a plate w/the heavily ported Victor under the carb cos of the adapter and I can't run a 4150 plate because it's blended into the runners and is no longer square.............

Shoot it with the puck! OOOORRRR, send it to induction solutions for a REAL setup!

I was actually thinking the same thing for the Challenger but I wouldn't want to hurt it. It is very happy the way it is. Nothing slow about a 9 sec. street car Dominic.

you want to run the puck so you can hide the s##t!

Careful Dom, nitrous is like a $20 hooker. You know you shouldn't hit it, but once ya do ya can't stop because it is so fun even though you know bad things are coming.

Uh oh, you not gonna be Mr N/A for long... I see you sprayin the guts outta that baby! Not too many people I know ever go back to N/A once they start messin' with that stuff haha!

I've been off the bottle for over 25 years..... one day at a time!

....that said, don't "settle" for some entry level non adjustable deal. You'll want more.

Too funny...........My motor will probably laugh at a 150 hit but I want a good 1/8th pass just to see a 5-second slip and to feel the rrruuussshhhhhhhhhhhhhhh...............

Too slow?? Awwww..Thumpman...They make medicine for that!!

Not the Thumper that seems to live on simplicity. Then edit.

Your motor might laugh, but dead hook your braced 8 3/4 with an added 250 lbs of torque at your current power level and it might not be happy.

Hope it works for you without eating alot of parts.

All in fun and I would grab it in second and hang on............NO desire to get crazy(er) and become a full time nos guy but want the "just in case" the need arises and the 8 3/4 would spit it's guts out or at least that`s what I read/heard..........

Really I think your the victim of good machine work and a good combo, you might have to spray it hard with your combo to gain alot.

Do it !

I`m back to tuning it w/VP-100 and cally 91 swill and will hit the 1/8th real soon then go from there..................

Maybe your carb just needs a few tweaks....

ROFLMAO...

X2

Hey Dom i will bite....bring it to Irwindale...Heads up small block N/A. Against a big block on spray....🤘😉

Tweaking will be needed with the laugh jar juice for sure, but I'm sure he's got it covered. It might even be a cleaner snap on the go.
Trust me though, that once any breach into the 9 second zone is quick enough to remind anyone of how much hard work time in and time again it takes to get and stay there.
I guess in any time zone there are several well deserved and or lucky entries and many more evictions.

I'm a lifer with NA group, no pun intended.

No doubt........ Bored w/my car plain and simple and after my next passes we`ll see what happens..........

BOOST Dom,,,,,,,,,,,BOOST

X2

Your car is not slow Dom, just not as quick as you would like it to be.

Your running so Close to a 5 sec, 1/8th now. IMO, do it NA first, then add the juice. Why cheat, when you are oh so close.

Lose a few more pounds, shave the heads, advance the cam abity, and your there.

Be happy with what you have, don't mess with success. That car rips as is.

Why stop @ 150? Let it eat, I mean why aim for a 5.9xx when you can go 5.5x?? Just sayin, you have a great start imo looking forward to results!

The 8.75 maybe.

Why spray a car that already runs good?.........Simple answer is because it runs better. Just got back from the track helping a customer. 2900lb Mustang on 29.5s with a 370" small block. Ran some nice easy 5 teens

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And all of a sudden that need will arise more and more often and you will need a bigger fix each time to satisfy your needs,sounds like an awsome plan

....Dom's car runs very well how much nos can he spray when his car if it's setup naturally aspirated before he will have to start changing stuff like cams,converters,etc.

Be careful Dom. Its addictive! Maybe you should invest in some run flats, in case you drive over the crankshaft
seriously, maybe a low boost turbo would serve you better. I believe they have somewhat lower cylinder pressure for the horsepower generated. You might be able to get away with just the turbo, no intercooler with limited boost. It would still make great power.

My Why not put the money you would spend on spray into a cage upgrade?
Then you can run the car out every pass. It would be good to see the car at the track more often.

Buck-fifty on a 470? Child's play... bring it in as soon as the front tires set down, and shift to second immediately, then shift to third about 500 rpm early. Have the two hundred jets ready when you get back to the pits.

Damn, you boyz are serious about this stuff and I love it........... Did some street testing yesterday w/my old faithful VP-101 and pump mix and got a bad vibration above 6500 in 2nd so I`ll fix that( ) and head to Irwindale the following thu after Thanksgiving and go from there and I appreciate the comments thankxxx. No boost or turbos hanging in my engine bay ever and this is more less to see if nos is something I`d be willing to build my next motor for that`s all..........more FUN than serious but last time I said that, I was beaten, cuffed and sent to the fun house............

you know those turbos and prochargers are easier on parts than spray. I'm building my 511 with future procharger or turbo in mind.

Yep, and monkey see monkey do to me cos damn near every car runs em these days so no desire there. I`m a fickle [censored] so after a couple of weeks we'll see...........Keep it the same, add nos, sell it who knows............

yeah, I understand. spray would be a more affordable path to big power in the short run, but I have friends that spray and work on their engines all the time too. in the long run I think boost is the way.

Whatever works for each of us but I'M DAMN BORED..............

What the heck is a NOS puck system This is the first time I have heard that term

It`s a round puck that mounts to the bottom of the plenum and sprays directly into the intake ports on the floors..........

Glad someone asked... I thought a puck was the assembly that mounted on the air cleaner stud and sprays into the venturis!

Sheeeee. Thumper can lease out increments of his current power levels to many of those in need and still have enough to run the gamut.
Be cautious if you go mojo, that stuff is funny sometimes.

I hear people say that all the time......."oh, boosted power is easier on the motor than other power"......bullshizzit!!! 1000 hp is a 1000 hp and it doesn't matter to the parts how you get there

Uhhhh... 'F' that!

Sorry, just laughing at the whole deal...

That was the N2O Systems "Top Shot" deal. I was curious about that one for a while, too. I'm sure that's about as "Band-Aid" as it can get for a nitrous setup.

I always figured the crank doesn't care how it ended up on the track, it just knows there was enough HP to push it out of the block.

Maybe it hits the ground more softly if it comes outta a turbo motor than a nitrous motor?

My thoughts on this thumper is more guy's respect you and your car at running 6.15 NA than will if it runs 5.80's on nitrous. I'm in the same boat running 6.004 NA and trust me I will get her in the 5's NA. I truelly believe your car helps promote your carb building business as it is right now. A little more work and tuning and you will be there

I hear what you guys are saying and respect those opinions so after my next outing I'll see how much weight removal/tuning I can do and make a decision...............

I have a few nice plates I could sell you.

Stay n/a. It's more impressive. Anyone can spray, not everyone can n/a.

That's only you and the rest of the purple shaft bridgade with those hang ups. I don't care how many poweradders you have.

LMAO !

How much to come help me do that?... on 26's

Can't use a plate of any kind because of my dommy adapter............

Thought you were past teens ?

. Plate can go on top or under spacer/adapter

LMAO ! ,



Funny right there

Put some teflon tape on those NOS fittings and you "NOS HEADS" will think clearer. Any monkey can run 5's in a big block Dart without a power adder. LOL. Especially one that has gone 6.15 already. Save the NOS for 4.90's-5.40's

You know they bolt on top or bottom.

I guess that's why you have Monte Smith, Steve Johnson, Jeff Sprock, Kevin Neal, Paul K at Pkre, Nitro Dave all professional nitrous tuners because any body can do it. Lol only a NA guy says that.

takes more skill to go fast n/a than power adder. 1000hp spray vs boost may be same at max power, but I would bet off the line would be a different story. iv been told by many boost comes on easier that spray off the line.

thats because you are limited n/a. if ya want more you will need a power adder.

Must be why all the Nitrous street outlaw guys are always blowing their stuff up.

OH NO HE DI-INT

Takes skill either way , do you have any idea what you are talking about ?

Just the ones that can't use a timing light ......lol

Can`t see a plate on top of the adapter due to the fact that the spray pattern would be hitting the wall and that can't be good and under won't work due to the heavily ported upper plenums(no longer square).......

not everyone can pick a good combo. matching cams, heads compression etc, than matching that to the rest of the car. a lot easier to just bolt on a bottle and go. see many in my town do just that. I will say it again, it takes more thought to put together a 700hp n/a combo than it does to bolt on a bottle and go. jmho
I will agree if your spraying 200hp or more like multi stages you absolutely need to know what your doing and have some skill at it, but I don't believe that's what Dom is doing.

Then the guys in your town are idiots....you still have to choose the correct parts when using nitrous, just like any power adder. I must know what I'm talking about because my car is faster than 90% on here....... Going FAST , and maybe my definition is different than yours, takes skill any way, NA or power adders. I make more than 700 NA , then I spray it. Lol

Is it harder to make hp NA than to add power , yes
But don't hate on power adders because they make MORE....lol

I don't think it's hate, just trying to tell a guy with a great running car he doesn't NEED nitrous to hit a goal that he is so close to already. Sometime pride in hitting a goal the hard way drives a guy to the hoop.

Understood, because if he just wants a 5.999 then yea stay NA , plenty can be done to get there from 6.15

BAM!! Mr. "take LY rods to the 8's" has spoken!!

The debate begins.......... I will give it hell next time out but I`m feeling like a spider monkey on crack right now, my stuff ugly AND slow so figured we could hash it out. I agree n/a is just as hard to tune as any other and I appreciate the kind words but 6.15 is NOT fast enuff..............lol

Is Dom's car impressive running low 6s with a fairly mild, streetable combo? Sure, I guess so, but not many care that it's N/A.........apparently him included if he is talking about spraying. I doubt he says in his head "wow, I'm pretty close to that smallblock on spray, turbo or blower with my N/A BB car" when he is looking at the tail lights.

Don't know about where HE lives, but around here, you show up with a "driven" street car that won't run in the 5s with ease, you are gonna get your azz cracked. Can you be that fast N/A? well sure you can, but it's gonna take a serious piece and it won't be very streetable. Street cars these days are damn fast and if you want to out run any of them, you better be as well.

Mustang I was working on last night IS a street car. All steel car, power windows, etc. All he did was change tires for the track.

Drag Week is full of REAL street cars that run low 8s and high 7s. Don't recall seeing one that was N/A

Most guys who are down on power adders are SCARED of power adders. Either because they have tried it, had no clue what they were doing and tore stuff up, watched some other idiots tear up parts, or not SURE they can do it..........even though it is apparently SO easy.......LOL!!!!

I get a $1000 a day to go to the track and do what so many think is easy. Have to turn people down because I don't have the time to go.........wonder how many N/A tuners are having that problem?

I`m not claiming to be fast quite the opposite but mid/high 9`s around here is only good enuff to beat some guys but who friggin cares I RACE ME! Et chaser forever, bracket racing bores me, 8-second cars that run 11 flat gimme a brake. I`m not much of a fan of drag racing today due to all of the "same ol" crap that goes along w/it and based on the vids from Vegas, lots of "crashed" too fast for the baby tires cars there too spoiling the track...........more like NASCAR now waiting for WHEN they crash instead of if............Done now and my brakes still don`t stop so back to that bs then finding the vibration etc...........at 55 this stuffs WAY less fun and worthwhile but if my carbs help YOU enjoy the sport well then my job is done here and everywhere for that matter......

I'm on your side Dom, all these "keep working at it" guys and you will get there. Get where? 6 flat, is that your ultimate goal? I doubt it, so put some gas on it, go fast and who cares what they think.

As far as your blended adapter, you could actually have spray bars put in that

Well! this just keeps getting easier!!

Thought about that IF I spray it then no difference in the heighth of my 5 years in the making air pan I've been finalizing.........

not hating on power adders as its the only way to make BIG power, just trying to make the point I think boosted will give more longevity than sprayed from what i'v seen. jmo. I thought I mentioned building a 511 with future boost in mind.

If you feel that you are making more horsepower... then what this calculator shows.. you probably need to get to work on the chassis..
Making it out to the track once a year isn't going to get it... bring it out to Irwindale..and let's get to work... I think it's time to experiment with /gear/ launch RPM/ converter technology has got better last couple years.. and maybe upgrade to the grid so we can really mess with the timing

As someone who doesn't spray I can only make an assumptions. So here goes. Bang for the buck a 200 shot is as cheap and easy as it gets. Quality kit, proper fuel delivery, proper ignition timing and away you go. Now if you combo has tight ring gaps, thin ring lands, poor oil control you could be on a path to destruction. Certainly higher levels of power adder will require more specialized components. Going on the edge is going to require precise tuning and a motor specifically designed for spray. But from what I can see the lower level hits aren't rocket science. Just like anything else. Better parts will survive more power. A 400 hp N/A motor is easy, as is a 400hp spray motor. A 1000 hp spray motor has to be a pretty decent piece but not state of the art ports, high compression, wild cam, etc. A 1000hp N/A motor is going to need some compression, good flowing heads, and some pretty good valve train, thus more than likely more costly. Either way most of us always want to go quicker. Just different definitions of how fast is fast. Everyone has their own challange as how to do it. If I could make 1K a day tuning I'd quit my day job and spend the money building a faster car.
Doug

I'm looking forward to trying some spray next year but I will always have my NA builds too

If I cage this heap then I won't get the boot every damn time so maybe we can hang and beat this thing but till then, one pass, one kill...........lol

No I wish tho...

I get a $1000 a day to go to the track and do what so many think is easy. Have to turn people down because I don't have the time to go.........wonder how many N/A tuners are having that problem?




^^^Here you go spareparts^^^

No one but you cares how fast you're going on motor. The only thing that matters is turning on the win light.

I was like you are a few years ago...just got bored so I decided to step it up. I ran mine on motor for 8 years even though I intended on spraying it from the start. Now that I've run it for a while, I might as well sell my N/A torque converter b/c it'll never go back in the car.

I flew the N/A flag for a long time in the local street car classes, but eventually got tired of getting outrun by cars w/ way less motor and a little nitrous. You know how easy it is to run in the 5s w/ a little mild small block mustang and a 250 shot? I have a friend w/ a REALLY mild 383 sbc in a full interior fox body mustang street car. On an untuned 200 shot it goes low 6.20s. When I say mild 383, I mean you could put it in your tow truck and let your grandma drive it.
Like Monte said, a 6.anything 1/8 mile is first round fodder in street car stuff anymore unless you get real lucky. Unless you're high 4s or bottom 5s you don't have much of a chance really. Last street car shootout I ran in I got beat in the 2nd round by the eventual winner who runs 4.70s. There's at least 3 that always show up that run similar times.

That's honestly not a bad deal IMO,unlike some Monte isn't just a nitrous tuner he knows how to get a car down a track

Gotta go with that....learnt that a long time ago, we don't get many chances to win any £££'s in the UK but there was an event that had a £250 prize, it was H-Up all out affair. My 340 was a 12.4 NA car and long story short, I came up against a '70 440 Cuda in the final, running 12.3, the guy said to me don't use your Nitrous and make it a race, well reality kicked in and I thought, I've never won anything yet so go for it, being nice don't cut it...took all the boys down the pub that night on my winnings.....sorry for the long story.

You guys are STILL missing one point on this subject with Dom. He is in the process of starting a business building carbs and guys (yes guys on this site) send their carbs to Dom because of how well his car runs NA. As soon as he hits it with nitrous its a whole different story. I was in the same boat with my Duster and porting heads. Guys would see how it ran with Edelbrock heads and a simple combo NA and I picked up work because of it. I had all the work I wanted without advertising or ever needing to ship a set of heads. Its was nice being in a position to turn down work. He can and will make up his mind but until he gets his car track legal and a better stronger rear-end so he can really hit it I'm betting he will lose some work he may have picked up. If he's not promoting and using his car as a business expense he BETTER get a better tax accountant. After all advertising is a tax write-off.

So let me get this straight...
He will lose business simply b/c he puts nitrous on his car and goes faster?
Everyone will forget how good it ran before on motor?
The carb is no longer important b/c the car has nitrous on it?

If you can build carbs, you can build carbs, nobody cares about your own car. I doubt anyone sends their carb to Dom because of how his car runs. They send it because he gives good advice in the carb threads, knows what he is talking about and guys who HAVE sent their carbs to him have had good results.

Moparts gets new member everyday so no everyone will not remember how it ran NA. Thumpers car is not legal now to run the time he is and now you guys are saying to make it go faster. How about fixing the car to make it legal then really lay down a nice number. With or without nitrous. The trouble is that he will add weight making the car better so its not a win, win situation. We just had a racer die (in Texas) in a non-legal car. Lets try to make the sport safer, not worse.

Again a nos and n/a tune are identical and if me spraying loses customers, then I guess I don't need those BUT I want as many as I can get. I DON'T RACE.............I compete w/ME only and the Dart is my vessel to test my tuning skills both good and bad and have NO desire to race in events EVER or go for the $$$$ so it's not about whoopin someone it's about getting my car to perform at it's peak and I'm not too far off imo w/more to come n/a FIRST then maybe a hit or three........... You are correct Pit, safety is a concern and I think about it on every pass and plan on caging it if I don't sell it..........

This right here. As an example, Chad the guy that owns the black Buick has a 17 year old son just getting into racing. They built him a 72 Nova with a smallblock. Picked up the motor locally for a few grand. Really know nothing about it, other that it has a stock block with some aluminum heads. The Nova weighs around 3000lbs with the kid in it. Has 29.5s on leafs. On motor it goes 6.70s-6.80s and he can drive it to school or anywhere else. I dug around in my spares pile and we put a Big shot plate on it with a 175ish tune. We turn on the nitrous .4-.6 out with a timer and it goes 6.00 and he runs the 6.0 index class. Car is deadly consistent and kid is good on the tree. Always qualifies top of the ladder and he has won a couple races. Will win more once he learns to race the stripe better. When we spray it gate to gate it goes 5.70s with a nothing motor on a small shot

6.70-6.80 is making way more than 500 crank HP at that weight. Not bad for a junk SB.

Sent you a PM Dominic but that was before I read about your adapter.

These days a 500hp smallblock is nothing. That's just a decent thrown together build. I think he gave $3500 for the motor. Like I said, its a stock block deal with some decent alum heads. We THINK it has a flat tappet cam, not even sure...........LOL!!!

We will welcome you to the meetings.......

Hi,
I'm Bob and I'm a Nitrous-aholic...........

No BS buy a kit that you can grow into because 150 hit will only make you want to go to 250 hit and on and on and on....LOL!

And on the subject of racing for/ME as Dom says thats exactly what I did, I wanted to run a 9 with my old junk stock block motor....when I managed to get it to 10.7 NA, I hit it next run (same tune) with a 170 shot and went 9.96...job done....last run, nobody cares how you did it, what counts is the numbers and you did it for you.

w/ what Biginchmopar said...buy a big kit to start with or you'll regret it later.

It DOES matter to me how fast I go n/a and anything less than a 6.05 is acceptable and a 5.70 on a baby hit or not worth the effort........

Come on thumper tell us the truth. Isn't it fun going faster than most of the guys NA. I know I love doing it and with a small block it's even more fun

ok, well yes it did matter to me as well in fact, I wanted to run a 9 NA but that was a long way off, we all have our own goals and how to reach them, I'm just saying there's nothing wrong with using an adder to do it, couldn't give a toss of what others thought.

Saw a picture of the Nova the other day. VERY nice car.

Some people are wired different. If that gives YOU personal satisfaction, that's great......but means nothing to some of us.

That's like saying I have the fastest 72 green scamp with a 318, single exhaust and 14" wheels. You can narrow anything enough to seem impressive. To me, it's about the number. What does it RUN.

Regardless of combos, there is always somebody faster. When you talk about numbers, you can say, yeah that smallblock runs good N/A. That is until somebody mentions Laverne's N/A smallblock, which goes 5.0s. No matter his car is lighter, has better heads, whatever. Nobody cares about that. Whats the NUMBER

For guys that do their own work its all about pride and hard work especially in NA builds. When I start using nitrous next year my goals will be to go MUCH faster. Not just a tenth or 2. LOL. Kinda like that low 9 second Challenger with 2 power adders. Big money build with 2 power adders equals deep sleep mod to me. Bring that baby inland some and lets see it make a few passes. LOL

I agree with that. some are wired different. I want to see how fast I can go on motor and a friend of mine just wants to see how fast he can go with what ever power adder will get him there.

Let me throw a wrench in this thread.
You are obviously good with carbs. From what I've read, you not only make great power, but also get the driveabilty aspect worked out. You may feel that your combo is close to maxed out... Could be.
So why not continue honing your carb skills by blowing some air through it? Get a procharger or turbo and make some real power while EXPANDING your knowledge AND business?
This whole N2O talk from you just appears as if you are throwing in the towel, and I don't see how it will help your carb biz.
Just my biased view!

It's kind of like my current situation...I have a lot of power (about 1100 hp), but my car is a tank (3900 lbs). Everyone seems to love the fact that my car still has all the factory interior, factory body except for the hood, etc., but when I lose to a car making 200 less horsepower than I have, no one cares. I can always say yeah, my car is 800 or 1000 lbs heavier than that one, but I lost and that's all that matters.

Having an 8 sec, nearly two ton car sounds awesome when talking about it on the internet, but getting outrun at the track by guys w/ a lot less power in 1/2 the car is all anyone sees.

Yes sir it is and still beat two faster cars on the street..........TRENDZ, no air pumps for me, too hard to tune and the margin of error is less and I'm not throwing in the towel just yet..........

What happend here?
This thread almost makes me think im logged in on moparts about 10years ago:D

I would go with Montes advice of putting spraybars in your present spacer.

Why does it need to be anything about his business? Maybe he just wants a faster ride. Why does it have to be any more complicated than that?

Not sure myself...........lol. I do get his points though about being able to do all carb stuff from blowers, turbos and nos however as someone recently told me; IN N OUT specializes in what? Burgers.......not burritos, steak shrimp etc. and we can all agree about how successful they are........... So burgers it is for now at least.........

So your staying NA.

I myself can be impressed with just, what a car runs, reguardless of a power adder.

But I still respect the NA stuff when someone can go fast with it. I still carry the NA flag myself. Not quite bored yet.

Nitrous, not so impressed unless your running really fast.

A example given was a 17 year old with a nothing SB motor that could run 5.7,s being sprayed, engine so mild it could go into grampas pickup. See, is that impressive, not so much. Heck, they don't even know what kind of cam is in it.

So easy, a Caveman can do it. Like Shania Twain said, That don't impress me much.

Sense of humor nitrous guys.

It's a lot easier to afford a faster ride when you have more business. Learning more about your craft doesn't hurt a thing. Just my observance.

So my Gary Williams nitrous carb is junk now??

Hey Thump, us nitrous guys run carbs too. Shelf your NA carb and work on a nitrous carb so you can show folsom you've done that

Sell the 470 and build a Gen III, run 8's.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wm4VE4X5da4
8.80@151

IF my car was legal for 9.99 and quicker... AND IF I didn't think spraying would just be a new way for me to hurt my junk... I'd probably spray the p!ss outta it.

A street-racer friend of mine from years ago who ran a bottle on his car said he would LOVE to see the look on peoples' faces if I raised the hood on mine and there was some hi-zoot direct-port N2O injection system staring back at 'em.

Of course, he also said they'd laugh their a$$es off if the car didn't lay down some serious #s with that sort of hardware.

OOOOOHH Thumper's at it again. He's effectively touched a debated nerve on N/A vs NOS. Sounds like a dreaded Automatic vs Stick debate.LOL
I wanna see who gives in. Carry on.

I know I will have two 8 second dusters next year and then I will crack open the bottle on one of them. Then it gets worth while.

140+ hp to the tires on two kits after I "fixed" a name brand carb..........need I say more and send it to me and see for yourself............

NEVER..............LOL

Maybe but I meant to address TRENDS comment about phasing into blo-through and blower stuff and that at this time theres no way to test that stuff therefore not an option or desire hence..........IN N OUT does burgers and only burgers...........

Damn!!! Winter is here!! Yeeee-Haaaaaaw!!!!!

Where have you been Instigator???

He doesn't even realize that as he's bragging about this Nova with a $3500 engine going 5.70, ......he's doing just what he is mocking others for.......amazing.....

I knew what you meant.

It's that delayed reaction time thing holding him back...

As usual, you are an idiot and cant read. It's not my car. The point was it runs 5.70s for hardly any cash. Show me the N/A combo that does that, plus that's plenty fast for a first year racer that is 17

Crickets here....

Monte pointing out the obvious.... and waiting for system suggestions for the slow guy!

I was put up to this by two other MOPARTS members



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDmKr8slxmk

He never said it was your car....

Since nobody has brought it up yet, is the general consensus that his stock 400 block will hold 850 horse just fine?

Sure you were!

The point was it runs 5.70s for hardly any cash. Show me the N/A combo that does that, plus that's plenty fast for a first year racer that is 17



.... and is the son of a record setting n2o car owner, and assisted by one of the best n2o tuners in the country, and gets parts out of said tuners junk pile.... Anyone can do it! Oh, wait.
Love ya Monte, but you use this kind of stuff on a bunch of threads. I know minimal bits of info on making a n2o car live. But it would be easy for me too if you issued the parts and gave me the tuning advice. Did you charge the 17 year old $1000 a day for this?

Just because Monte helps Chad with the Buick, doesn't make Chad a fool... Think him or his kid hasn't absorbed any of the info Monte has helped with?

No, quite the contrary. I totally admire Monte and his tuning advice. It has helped me greatly in chassis understanding.
My point is only that what may seem simple on the surface, is not for those of us a bit in the dark.

I'm guessing the Nova was put together with GOOD parts from the get go also. Not like the car has slapper bars and CE 90/10 shocks on it... I would also guess the car 60's quite well.

The bottom line is, Nitrous can be a simple way to make the car go faster without breaking the bank. As far as Dom losing customers, well his work and how he treats customers will be what determines that. PERIOD.

I Like it .LOL

Is this "The Nova"? If so it is pretty nice beginner 17 year olds car, bead locks, Heim tie rods, rack and pinion, nice paint and body. Not begrudging him at all but it didn't come from a after school job at McDonalds.
Doug

Yes it is, but I think some people are missing the point.

Is the car LEGAL to run 5.70's or is he out there winging his life in an unsafe car.

For sure legal to 8.50's.

Man you guys get off topic easy...........[ Moparts Family Site - Keep it Friendly ]?

Back to running Nitrous Oxide!

NOS, NOS, NOS friggin' import talk. Stupid!

Thumper-Plenty of good companies out there maybe Monte could help you? Maybe a member discount. Trying to help best I can.

That's my local track, they do not tech. You need a helmet and seat belts.

"Durn unsafe Hellcats and whipper snappers running NOS (NOS(one word) not N O S), gonna kill yourselves! AND GET OFF MY LAWN"

The Nova is Chad's old ORSCA EZ Street car that he has owned since he was a teenager. It has an 8.50 cert mild steel cage, Smith Racecraft bolt in front stub, leafs with Cal-Tracks. It's much prettier from the outside than it is nice underneath. It had been 5 teens with Chad's old 598 but we were out of car and it was unpredictable. It was parked when he bought the Buick. Jackson(Chads son) paid for the new wheels with his own money. Micah White, our friend who was recently killed, that was on our crew owned a body shop. He painted the car and put the top on it for Jackson and the kid worked the bill off at the shop in his spare time. Chad is a farmer and Jackson works on the farm when he is not in school. Hard work is not something either are scared of.

As far as the proper way to run nitrous and prepare nitrous motors......I tell people how to do it everyday on the phone. I can tell you what to do and how to do it safely. All people have to do is listen. I help way more people over the phone than I go to the track and personally tune. And guess what........phone calls are free

Very challenging to tune 2 carbs on a roots.You should have that knowledge.I've been at it for years and still learning

You will laugh at the 0.052 jet I hit the 493 with, track went away towards the end of the night and I was having issues hooking...but I am not NHRA legal for my chemically enhanced ET...

Thump, you fill the bottle up yet?

Not yet and am fiddlin w/my dommy and then a new elec. water pump then the track. IF it goes a 6.09 or better, no nos needed and will take weight out if NOT,

Is your high-RPM miss resolved, yet?

Gettin better and the miss was a too rich condition due to a couple of changes to the carb I made w/new boosters and stake tubes so leaning it out helped a lot but ran out of fuel. Weather's getting nasty so after I add 2 degrees of timing and lean it out a bit more, it's track time. I learned a valuable lesson about plug reading and confused small carbon bits as peppering/detination so it was a rich miss and just jetting down 2 and 2 it went from the 9's to the 11's and pulled past 7000 easy AND damn near sideways.............. If it doesn't go 6.09 at 111+ ish, a small hit is next............

Went down the exact same road with a pump gas 499 street car. Mine has a 4 speed. Car made 540 to the tire, ran 10.50@130 on steel wheels. mainly just raced the car on the street.

I purchased the puck system and a dedicated fuel system and never looked back!!!! Last year the car was on a 300 shot all year, never misses a beat! Car made 840ho 885 trq to the tire on a stock block, mahle pistons and plasma moly rings! I had the nitrous wired hot to a button on my steering wheel, and when I would power shift, it would spit fire out of the back. Was tough convincing people that it was a N/A car at night! Absoltly loved it and didn't worry about turbo guys driving around me in the big end, I was always out front to start and then id grab the system.....

Main advice I give from my combo....... Start very low with timing, then once it works perfect, slowly start to creap it back in! Timing will create cylinder pressure and even detonation.....This will kill the motor, weather its a 150 or a 350....
Everyone says, oh its a 150 so I pulled 2 degrees for every 50hp of jet..... Drives me crazy.

Best thing at the track is when you pull timing out of someone elses car and it goes faster....... And the look on there face

Good REAL WORLD info thankxxx man.................

If your not 5.20s or better on the hose, you will still be slow

In YOUR world not mine............Just a lowly, ugly slow azz street car........

Did you notice that he was STILL telling guys it was NA. LOL

Spraying a bad tune up doesnt make it go faster
it tends to blow them up

I have an idea about a "good" tune and the baddest west coast nos guy in my corner Chuck Roberts so no worries...........

Doubt Chuck has much if any Mopar experience, but he is a good guy.

Now a Mopar doesn't KNOW it's a Mopar, but Mopar heads for the most part are not nitrous friendly and neither are the old school cams most are enamored with. So whatever you think is safe on timing to start with, you are still likely too high, so take more out. Low timing never hurt anything but the time slip, whereas too much timing will get you started on an ash tray collection

If it likes 12.8 or so on the motor, that's where its gonna need to be on the hose as well

Thankxxx Monte and we talked a bit about this stuff but not enough till I decide to go forward w/the spray..........