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Re: Does NHRA allow magnesium wheels? [Re: Hemi_Joel] #2178387
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The Flys are cool........but for what guys ask for them, I have to settle for Bogarts

Re: Does NHRA allow magnesium wheels? [Re: Hemi_Joel] #2178465
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Quote:
As I recall the stuff can spontaneously combust in water.


I guess you don't ever want to wash your wheels or drive in rain !!!!

Re: Does NHRA allow magnesium wheels? [Re: Stanton] #2178479
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Originally Posted By Stanton
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As I recall the stuff can spontaneously combust in water.


I guess you don't ever want to wash your wheels or drive in rain !!!!


Never seen mag catch on fire from water, but they sure do corrode fast from water and air. I had mag valve covers on my BAE hemis and we polished them every morning at the races to keep them looking good. After a week in the shop they looked like they were never polished ever.
I also had a mag dragster body built by Murf McKinny. I had to have it dipped/coated with some stuff called Dow7 to keep it from corroding and so it would hold paint. Mag=PIA My intake manifold and injector hat is mag also.


Re: Does NHRA allow magnesium wheels? [Re: Hemi_Joel] #2178498
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Come on guys, magnesium doesn't spontaneously combust in water. The part people are referring to about the water is you can't use water to put a magnesium fire out. That won't work. You also can't use an "A", "B", or "C" fire extinguisher. All the fire extinguishers you see are "A", "B", "C" or a combination of those. All you can use on a magnesium fire is a "D" or dry sand. You probably don't know anybody that has a "D" fire extinguisher and dry sand seems to be hard to find when you really need it. Magnesium castings don't burn easily. Magnesium shavings will burn instantly. Magnesium dust is explosive.


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Re: Does NHRA allow magnesium wheels? [Re: Stanton] #2178523
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Originally Posted By Stanton
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As I recall the stuff can spontaneously combust in water.


I guess you don't ever want to wash your wheels or drive in rain !!!!


I should have qualified that with "under certain conditions" laugh2

The point I was trying to make is "if" the stuff ever takes fire it is pretty much impossible to put out. panic

Kevin

Re: Does NHRA allow magnesium wheels? [Re: Hemi_Joel] #2178703
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Keep in mind that magnesium is regularly tig welded. So no, its doesn't catch fire easily.

Re: Does NHRA allow magnesium wheels? [Re: Stanton] #2178733
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Originally Posted By Stanton
Keep in mind that magnesium is regularly tig welded. So no, its doesn't catch fire easily.


Only because the shielding gas is supposed to displace the oxygen from the weld. Add some O2 and you will get a very bright very hot white flame.

Kevin

Re: Does NHRA allow magnesium wheels? [Re: Monte_Smith] #2178763
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The Flys are cool........but for what guys ask for them, I have to settle for Bogarts
Love me some Bogarts!!

My '63 330 will eventually get a set.


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Re: Does NHRA allow magnesium wheels? [Re: Twostick] #2178818
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Originally Posted By Twostick
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A Mg fire is notoriously hard to put out,


Can you even put one out?

As I recall the stuff can spontaneously combust in water.


If water is used on a magnesium fire,the magnesium burns SO HOT it breaks down the water molecule and uses the oxygen for more fuel to the fire while also putting off flammable hydrogen.

The metals that DO spontaneously combust in water are lithium, sodium, potassium, etc... one column over on the periodic table from Mg.

The examples used in putting out Mg fires in my hazchem class were VW bugs and buses, which were prone to being on fire on the side of the road, and had magnesium engine blocks.

Re: Does NHRA allow magnesium wheels? [Re: camdog440] #2178949
10/20/16 01:51 AM
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_splitting

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Thermal decomposition of water

Thermal decomposition, also called thermolysis, is defined as a chemical reaction whereby a chemical substance breaks up into at least two chemical substances when heated. At elevated temperatures water molecules split into their atomic components hydrogen and oxygen. For example, at 2200 °C about three percent of all H2O molecules are dissociated into various combinations of hydrogen and oxygen atoms, mostly H, H2, O, O2, and OH. Other reaction products like H2O2 or HO2 remain minor. At the very high temperature of 3000 °C more than half of the water molecules are decomposed, but at ambient temperatures only one molecule in 100 trillion dissociates by the effect of heat.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnesium

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Flammability of Magnesium

Magnesium is highly flammable, especially when powdered or shaved into thin strips, though it is difficult to ignite in mass or bulk. Flame temperatures of magnesium and magnesium alloys can reach 3,100 °C (3,370 K; 5,610 °F),[9] although flame height above the burning metal is usually less than 300 mm (12 in).[10] Once ignited, such fires are difficult to extinguish, with combustion continuing in nitrogen (forming magnesium nitride), carbon dioxide (forming magnesium oxide and carbon), and water (forming magnesium oxide and hydrogen). This property was used in incendiary weapons during the firebombing of cities in World War II, where the only practical civil defense was to smother a burning flare under dry sand to exclude atmosphere from the combustion.


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