What is the best set up going right now for wet sump? I have a single line Indy billet cover already. Is the billet Milodon pump good or is everyone using something different?

The Milodon billet is what I have put on my new 512 along with the Milodon billet cover, heard alot of good about this set-up, I know it's a nice piece, won't know anything more about it untill spring when we fire it up and make some passes.

Milodon pump has always been a win. But I have heard good results using a stock pump with the billet covers, also. I guess it depends on how hard you are spinning it.

The Mellings cast iron high volume pump and the Milidon cast alumunum pump with the external oil line fitting on the front have work well for me
I don't really like using the thin Milidon spacer for the second external oil line so if you want a dual line system go with the Milidon cast pump with that fitting already on it
The billet pump doen't have that fitting

Just depends on how much oil the engine needs. The Milodon pump was designed originally for engines with super large bearing clearances. If that is what you have then you need that pump. If your bearing clearances are in the normal range then you don't need to pump all that oil since it will just go thru the bypass anyway.

I haven't seen a "normal" big block that needs more than the HV pump. By normal I mean regular bearing clearances with regular weight oil.

The reason Indy made a pick up is it has the square in / volume capacity to actually support a dual line--It is known by many that the original Milodon pick up was too small to be more effective with dual lines--all that being said I have never seen any mopar engine that could not live long happy life with a single line external set up.
Big Note if you use that Indy cover!!! If you over tighten it --that thing eats a big noodle first turn and you are screwed--call Indy they ask what did you Torque it at--you say whatever number and they respond should have been 5 ft lbs--tell them you did it to 5 Ft Lbs and they say just snug etc
If you use one--put some red Loctite on the bolts and I say just a TAD over finger tight with a short wrench--they are trouble --I do NOT use them--The newest Milodon is a better piece IMO
I say a single line cover on a stock iron pump is a really great set up or...use the Milodon pump with the good rotors--it is a top shelf unit
Never ever over tighten and ALWAYS use a priming shaft to test spin after you install--You will see that with either of these units it will lock down when over tightened and that ain't much I promise!
The Indy pick up is one piece they got right, maybe the only one.

it seems to me that any aluminum cover can't take much torque without it causing the rotors to bind. i have a muscle motors cover and anything more than "snug" causes binding. you wouldn't think they'd flex that much but they do.

what type of washers [if any] are you using under the bolt heads ? you are using red loctite, correct ?

"Aluminum" and "oil pump" are enemies.

The aluminum covers do tend to get grooved over time and those aluminum shavings end up in the oil. I have an aluminum cover on my dyno engine and I'm going to add a steel shim wear plate to that system to cut down on the wear.

I can't believe its taken this long for someone to realize the necessity of this part !!!

IMO Charlie Wescott made the best BB Mopar oil pump out there. I have tried them all. Milodon, Indy, KB, Titan, and Melling. For me it iwas hands down the best we have ever used. Unfortunately he no longer makes them. The one I have not tried and have heard good things about from Stock and SS buddies is Jones Engine Development pumps.

Here is a link to them. Unless you can get Charlie to take time to build some more.

http://www.jonesenginedevelopment.com/products.html

Do you have any information on the Wescott pump? Just wondering what made it special or the best in your opinion. Anyone out there still have one of these things they could take some pictures of?

Mine runs a single line Indy with tall rotor iron replacement pump. At 300 passes the motor was freshened. It sees 7100 every pass. I had broken some valve springs and the debris went thru the pump. The rotors and cover were chewed bad. The rotors were replaced, the Indy cover milled. Even messed up it had 65 psi@7000. I also found the relief spring was broken in half. No other issues were caused by any debris in the motor as it was trapped in the filter. Now with new rotors and a spring it holds 65psi@1500, 80@7000. And to get it that low one coil was removed from the relief spring. It runs 5w30 with .004"main,.003" rod, .0025 lifter clearances.
Doug

Doug,

That is the exact set-up I currently have. Something went thru the pump because the rotors were chewed up and the pump housing is grooved pretty bad. Still carried decent oil pressure. Looking for the best fix to this problem. Sounds like I can get away with just replacing the pump. The Indy cover does not have much damage/wear.....seems to mostly be contained to the housing and rotors.

Run a filter in the line right out of the pan ,got the idea from al (Hemitis)an inexpensive earls from summit

Personally a filter on the suction side scares me. I'd rather have dirty oil than no oil. It might work just fine, but?
Doug

At least run a "screen fitting" it will keep PARTS out of the pump

Jones only legal in SuperStock. Internal on Stock. Eric's stuff is great.



Ray

Wescotts deal was a single -16 line used Helical gears as well. Never saw the oil pressure fluctuate at all on my junk with his pump. Wish I could get another one or two honestly. But he is no longer making them. So Jones or Titan it is..