70 Cuda upgrade
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09/30/16 08:47 PM
09/30/16 08:47 PM
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I've been working on my 70 Cuda. Firm Feel Stage 3 Power Steering Box Firm Feel Sector Support Idler Arm Roller Bearing upgrade Firm Feel Tubular Upper Control Arms with offset bushings for more Caster. Getting an alignment in the morning. Aiming for -.7 degrees Camber +7 degrees Caster 1/8 inch total Toe In, which should be .14 degrees on each wheel for me. (tire size 235/60/15, 25.25 measured diameter) https://robrobinette.com/ConvertToeInchesToDegrees.htmNot a daily driver, it's a fun street car with occasional long distance road trips, no track time. Does that sound good? Thoughts? Tav
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Re: 70 Cuda upgrade
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11/10/16 07:38 PM
11/10/16 07:38 PM
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The alignment tech was reluctant to go all the way to the specs I posted above due to concerns about tire wear. (personally, I think it probably would have been ok, as I've heard of people pushing -.9 camber & +8 caster) I don't have the exact specs we ended up with in front of me at the moment, but I think they were close to -.5 camber & +5 caster. I was able to sit in the car while it was on the alignment rack, and it was really interesting to see just how much the alignment specs changed with 0 people, 1 person, or 2 people in the car. It makes a Big difference! Driven as a regular car, sometimes I have a passenger, and sometimes I don't. The tech also put in a small side to side adjustment difference for road crown. (your local tech will have an idea how much road crown your local roads typically have)
Took it on a road trip from central Florida to the top of the Rocky Mountains and back. It drives great, I love it. significant improvement. Much more similar to steering on a new car.
You really can't see the tubular upper control arms once they are installed. I tried looking around the tire in the wheel well and couldn't see them. (note: my tires were straight forward in typical parking position when I looked, maybe you'd be able to see the upper control arms if you had the wheels turned all the way in one direction.) Unless your looking up from below the car (or have mirrors under the car), no one will ever see the tubular upper control arms, so no worries about the car not looking original.
Now I plan to upgrade my Roadrunner & eventually my Challenger. With just the offset bushings you could probably get to +3 caster and be adjusted all the way in that direction, but with the tubular upper control arms With the offset bushings, +5 caster is easy, and you should be able to get +7 before running out of adjustment.
For brakes, I have factory sized power disc brakes (10 inch I think?) on the front, with 11 inch drums on the rear. I've been happy with that so far and probably won't bother to change it, but I think I'll run 11.75 disc with 11 drum on the Roadrunner & Challenger.
For springs, I have factory leafs (it's a real 'Cuda, not a Barracuda), and the factory torsion bars, which are .9 diameter. I'm running KYB shocks.
I weighed the car, and it was 3,763 total (without any people), and 2,033 on just the front tires. I think most people would say that's a heavy car for an E body. (air conditioning, cruise control, lots of undercoating, full size spare tire, etc) That weight distribution is 54% front and 46% rear though, which is a nice balance.
I do think that larger torsion bars and stepping up to an adjustable shock of some kind would be a worthwhile upgrade. I'm not sure what the spring rate is on my factory leaf springs, but I'd like to check, and compare that to the rear weight of the car (1730 lbs), and then use the front weight of the car (2033 lbs) to get some idea of what torsion bars would pair best with the stock leaf springs for handling (drag racing is different). I suspect that 1.06 diameter torsion bars from Firm Feel would be about right, but I haven't done the math yet. Difficult to say until I know what my rear spring rate is.
Tav
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