Re: what ratio manual steering box for handling?
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I had a factory 16:1 manual box in my 66 Barracuda with a 340. It was a bit tough to park. Once you were moving, it wasn't too bad. But with a big block AND fast ratio arms with those tires? Good luck, unless you are REALLY strong.
Don't try a 24:1 box for handling. You will be disappointed. They are about 4.5 turns lock to lock and just way too slow for a handling car. I tried it.
'67 is an abbreviation of 1967 67' is an abbreviation of 67 feet They are not interchangeable.
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Re: what ratio manual steering box for handling?
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Highly recommend biting the bullet on a Borgeson box, it isnt much more than what you already are planning. The manual box will get you way "behind" in the cones.
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Re: what ratio manual steering box for handling?
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Simplest method is getting Bergmanns adapter coupler and your steering shaft will collapse in itself, plus I also have an extra column shaft if you want it. I actually have an entire floor shift column already setup to.
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Re: what ratio manual steering box for handling?
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No I agree, those big checkbook guys get all sorts of bent out of shape when I suggest a 275 tire limit rule or class. "Those tires dont look right on my Camaro whaaaa whaaa....." no you just know if everyone was on the same tire you would get spanked.
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Re: what ratio manual steering box for handling?
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I was looking at the 16:1 box on firm feel with quick ratio idler and pitman arms. Can you put the fast ratio power steering pitman arm onto a manual steering box? I never tried, I guess it hadn't occurred to me. The fast ratio pitman changes a 16:1 box into a 12:1 ratio. Here's the steering ratios on some modern vehicles to give you something to compare against. 2011 Challengers have a 14.4:1 steering ratio with 2.75 turns lock to lock 2014 Camaros have 16.1:1 ratio with 2.5 turns lock to lock 2015 Mustangs have a 16:1 ratio 1988 Mustangs have 15:1 Neon’s are 16:1. Tav
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Re: what ratio manual steering box for handling?
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I was looking at the 16:1 box on firm feel with quick ratio idler and pitman arms. Can you put the fast ratio power steering pitman arm onto a manual steering box? I never tried, I guess it hadn't occurred to me. The fast ratio pitman changes a 16:1 box into a 12:1 ratio. Here's the steering ratios on some modern vehicles to give you something to compare against. 2011 Challengers have a 14.4:1 steering ratio with 2.75 turns lock to lock 2014 Camaros have 16.1:1 ratio with 2.5 turns lock to lock 2015 Mustangs have a 16:1 ratio 1988 Mustangs have 15:1 Neon’s are 16:1. Tav Question: Regarding your Challenger and Camaro examples...since the ratio of the Challenger is faster, yet the LTL is slower, doesn't that mean the Challenger is actually turning the wheels at a more extreme angle at lock?
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Re: what ratio manual steering box for handling?
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I was looking at the 16:1 box on firm feel with quick ratio idler and pitman arms. Can you put the fast ratio power steering pitman arm onto a manual steering box? I never tried, I guess it hadn't occurred to me. The fast ratio pitman changes a 16:1 box into a 12:1 ratio. Here's the steering ratios on some modern vehicles to give you something to compare against. 2011 Challengers have a 14.4:1 steering ratio with 2.75 turns lock to lock 2014 Camaros have 16.1:1 ratio with 2.5 turns lock to lock 2015 Mustangs have a 16:1 ratio 1988 Mustangs have 15:1 Neon’s are 16:1. Tav Question: Regarding your Challenger and Camaro examples...since the ratio of the Challenger is faster, yet the LTL is slower, doesn't that mean the Challenger is actually turning the wheels at a more extreme angle at lock? depends on the length of the steering arms at the knuckles, if the Challengers are longer than the Camaro then no.
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Re: what ratio manual steering box for handling?
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I have a 16:1 flaming river box in my challenger. It's a beast when trying to turn from parking spot, it's not for everyone that's for sure. It does change lanes at highway speed with little effort and a flick of the wrist. If I had to do it again, I would look for a 20:1 box, I think that's what the quick ratio was from the factory. The 16:1 box is kinda for the old corvette"like" lightweight car, small block handling car. I enjoyed the stock 24:1 box I had on a duster once. But I agree it's too much for performance
1973 challenger Dana. 4 speed. Low deck.
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Re: what ratio manual steering box for handling?
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I have a 16:1 flaming river box in my challenger. It's a beast when trying to turn from parking spot, it's not for everyone that's for sure. It does change lanes at highway speed with little effort and a flick of the wrist. If I had to do it again, I would look for a 20:1 box, I think that's what the quick ratio was from the factory. The 16:1 box is kinda for the old corvette"like" lightweight car, small block handling car. I enjoyed the stock 24:1 box I had on a duster once. But I agree it's too much for performance The quick ratio box from the factory was 16:1. The 20:1 was a DC/Mopar Performance part that you could buy separately to install in your 24:1 box. 16:1 works well for an early A body, although it is a bit tough to park.
'67 is an abbreviation of 1967 67' is an abbreviation of 67 feet They are not interchangeable.
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Re: what ratio manual steering box for handling?
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I can't imagine the effort was more than my 64 300 when it's power steering pump seized and I drove it for three years without power steering. It had fat meats front and rear too.
So any complains about low speed or parking effort makes me scratch my head especially when you consider the alignment specs for a manual car are different to help make it easier to steer at low speeds, though that's not really applicable in this forum I would hope.
They say there are no such thing as a stupid question. They say there is always the exception that proves the rule. Don't be the exception.
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