Charging Issue
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09/13/16 03:11 PM
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My dad's 69 Coronet RT has a charging problem that we can't seem to figure out so we're looking for advice and help. Here's a description of the problem:
At idle and RPM's below 2500, the needle on the volt gauge rapidly "dances" between 13.0-13.5 volts and this is confirmed accurate because we measured the voltage directly off the battery as well. Above 2500 RPM, the volt gauge will drop to roughly 12 volts. Here's the weird part, when my dad takes the RPM's up to 2500+, I'm at the battery with the volt meter measuring the battery and it spikes up to 200 volts but volt gauge inside the car is holding steady around 12 volts. The charging system doesn't seem to be working properly at higher RPM's and even at the low ones, we'd expect a higher voltage reading and the volt gauge needle has never "danced" around before.
Here's what we've tried so far: Brand new alternator - no change Checked alternator belt tightness - no change Swapped voltage regulator from his 68 Coronet RT - no change Swapped ballast resistor - no change Swapped coil - no change Swapped battery - no change Inspected and reseated the following wires: battery, coil, voltage regulator and ballast resistor. - no change
Some background on the car: The problem surfaced back toward in May when we drove the car to the race track. Prior to that, the car had been garaged and sitting for at least 6 months. No modifications or changes have been done to any part of the car. The car has a full MSD ignition.(analog 6AL) The only thing we haven't tried yet is swapping MSD boxes which we can do although it would require a little extra effort. There are no other symptoms. The car starts, runs and drives just fine. We're just afraid that the battery will get drained on prolonged drives. This is a street/strip car.
Any help or ideas would be greatly appreciated. I'm sure there are details I've left out so let me know if you have any questions about the car and the set up.
Thanks!
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Re: Charging Issue
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09/13/16 03:50 PM
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Cab_Burge
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Two things come to my mind, one is the belt driving the alternator is starting to slip at that RPM due to the load increasing at or above that RPM The other thing is related to the sitting allowing corrosion to occur on the grounds from the motor to the car body That is what I would look at first, cleaning and tightening them first Let us know what you find and do to correct this
Last edited by Cab_Burge; 09/13/16 03:53 PM.
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Re: Charging Issue
[Re: Cab_Burge]
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09/13/16 05:33 PM
09/13/16 05:33 PM
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And don't forget the firewall disconnect; the reference voltage that the regulator sees to determine the output comes through connections at the firewall disconnect, if the connections are poor ........
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Re: Charging Issue
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09/13/16 07:45 PM
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RapidRobert
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are these point regs? (wire wound resistors on bottom side) & if so was the one from him OK when it was in his car?
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Re: Charging Issue
[Re: moparx]
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09/15/16 12:06 AM
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Thanks for the replies everyone.
We were puzzled by this as well. So my dad is in the car and takes the RPM's above 2500 while I'm measuring the battery with a volt meter. The voltage reading I get on the meter jumps around and progressively gets higher as the RPM's get higher and I've seen it spike as high as 200 volts. We don't see this behavior at lower RPM's. The voltage appears normal although lower than we would expect with the car running and a properly functioning charging system.
Last edited by 68Charger440HP; 09/15/16 12:07 AM.
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Re: Charging Issue
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09/15/16 01:37 AM
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RapidRobert
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cheaper digital meters can read wonky. first we gotta find/fix the charging issue (& we will) then (if needed) the Mad bypass can be considered (some like it some dont, I do not)
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Re: Charging Issue
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09/15/16 04:16 PM
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Re: Charging Issue
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09/16/16 02:06 PM
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RapidRobert
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I had no idea it was possible, I just assumed it was a cheap gauge function plus unsteady tendency of digital gauges in general
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