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E-body weights please! #215099 02/05/09 03:12 PM 02/05/09 03:12 PM
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Anonymous OP Unregistered A	This has to do with another thread discussing the weights/perfomance of a couple of cars. I'm curious, how many here have actually weighed their stock 'Cuda/Challengers? There's a mis-conception that these cars weigh almost as much as a B-body when, in fact, my experience has been that they're lighter than a lot of A-bodies! Please post your actual (not guesstimated!) weights! '71 Cuda with A/C, P/S, Console, Buckets, full undercoat = 3,260 lbs. Same car with 440 a/c compressor removed = 3,440 lbs.

Re: E-body weights please! #215100 02/05/09 06:33 PM 02/05/09 06:33 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 477 Clarkston,MI Todd_DesMarais super street
Todd_DesMarais super street Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 477 Clarkston,MI	GY3.... look at your numbers, they don't add right My '74 cuda with a 400/727, 8 3/4, no a/c, no spare, no carpet or back seat was 3410 on Milan Dragway's crappy scale. the Title says 3210 w/sb, a/t, a/c, ps, pb, so.......... ? aduC' 47 IIeredevleB 66 383 etilletaS 66 DTC 0053 MAR 50 "ssenlli latnem a dna ,ybboh a neewteb enil enif a si ereht"

Re: E-body weights please! [Re: Todd_DesMarais] #215101 02/05/09 06:44 PM 02/05/09 06:44 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,103 Phila Pa S scatpacktom master
scatpacktom master S Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,103 Phila Pa	At 3260 I think you need to double check that against another scale.

Re: E-body weights please! [Re: scatpacktom] #215102 02/05/09 07:02 PM 02/05/09 07:02 PM
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Anonymous OP Unregistered A	Quote: GY3.... look at your numbers, they don't add right Why not? SB = 3260 BB = 3440 What doesn't add up about that?! They were both done at the local grain elevator and my truck has been on multiple elevator scales and weighed the same. 180 lbs diff with 150 being the BB and 30 or so being the 904 to 727?

Re: E-body weights please! #215103 02/05/09 08:12 PM 02/05/09 08:12 PM
Joined: Jun 2008 Posts: 133 N. Ca. F floorit426 member
floorit426 member F Joined: Jun 2008 Posts: 133 N. Ca.	I think the difference between the two is accurate, but my experience (for what it's worth), is that both are about 200lbs. heavier than that.

Re: E-body weights please! [Re: floorit426] #215104 02/05/09 08:26 PM 02/05/09 08:26 PM
Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 9,225 Charleston S sixpackgut Drag Week Mod Champion
sixpackgut Drag Week Mod Champion S Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 9,225 Charleston	every street challenger and cuda in the race forum weighs over 3750!!! 3400 no way weight now in my sig because i've been killing myself to make it lighter Gen 3 power 6.22@110, 9.85@135 Follow @g3hemiswap on instagram performance only racing, CRT, ultimate converter, superior design concepts, ThumperCarbs

Re: E-body weights please! #215105 02/05/09 08:27 PM 02/05/09 08:27 PM
Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,708 S. Il. U.S.A. 5spdcuda top fuel
5spdcuda top fuel Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,708 S. Il. U.S.A.	3500lbs with 1/2 tank of gas. Small block with aluminum heads & intake. TTI headers, power steering, stock three row radiator. 8 3/4 rear end. No AC. 5- speed Tremec, supposed to be about 25 lbs. lighter than 833 4- speed. The bucket seats aren't stock, but they are similar in weight. Car was weighed on a grain scale certified accurate to +or- 20 lbs. FWIW my old '74 Duster after significant dieting came in at 3380lbs. on the same scale with the same fuel load. Both weights are minus driver.

Re: E-body weights please! [Re: 5spdcuda] #215106 02/05/09 08:47 PM 02/05/09 08:47 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,103 Phila Pa S scatpacktom master
scatpacktom master S Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,103 Phila Pa	FWIW The T/A in my sig weighs 3250.Has heater delete,radio delete,alum 4 speed,alum flywheel and pressure plate,man disc brakes,man steering,spool among other little "things". Also I have a 72 340 Cuda that weighs 3570.It is a completly stock car.Undercoated,PS,man drum brakes,torqueflite,console,22 inch rad

Re: E-body weights please! [Re: scatpacktom] #215107 02/05/09 09:09 PM 02/05/09 09:09 PM
Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,708 S. Il. U.S.A. 5spdcuda top fuel
5spdcuda top fuel Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,708 S. Il. U.S.A.	I understand about "little things". I did quite a few to my Duster to get the weight down, nothing readily visible, but I still took at least 150 lbs. if not more out of it. Keep in mind my cars are four season cars that get driven regularly except for ice,snow and generally rotten weather, so heaters, windshield wipers etc. are necessary. I don't need a stereo [engine sounds pretty good going up or down the gears ], but I have one anyway. I also forgot to mention that both cars had frame connectors. All things considered I think my weights are pretty representative of what a person could expect from these cars in a truly streetable condition. Obviously if you get serious a lot more weight can be removed. A friend of mine got over 500lbs. out of his '72 Road Runner.

Re: E-body weights please! [Re: 5spdcuda] #215108 02/05/09 09:18 PM 02/05/09 09:18 PM
Joined: Nov 2007 Posts: 21,825 Kirkland, Washington Pacnorthcuda Too Many Posts
Pacnorthcuda Too Many Posts Joined: Nov 2007 Posts: 21,825 Kirkland, Washington	Quote: I understand about "little things". I did quite a few to my Duster to get the weight down, nothing readily visible, but I still took at least 150 lbs. if not more out of it. Keep in mind my cars are four season cars that get driven regularly except for ice,snow and generally rotten weather, so heaters, windshield wipers etc. are necessary. I don't need a stereo [engine sounds pretty good going up or down the gears ], but I have one anyway. I also forgot to mention that both cars had frame connectors. All things considered I think my weights are pretty representative of what a person could expect from these cars in a truly streetable condition. Obviously if you get serious a lot more weight can be removed. A friend of mine got over 500lbs. out of his '72 Road Runner. I don't doubt the accuracy of your number but your car sounds heavy compared to 1970 Barracuda (Cuda Clone) 440 W/Iron heads Aluminum intake 26 inch mopar rad manual steering manual drum brakes Aluminum (Centerline wheels) No sway bar Frame connectors 8.75 rear 727 TF No fiberglass 1/2 tank gas No driver Weighed on certified +/- 10 pound scale 3450

Re: E-body weights please! #215109 02/05/09 09:40 PM 02/05/09 09:40 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 15,976 Chilliwack B.C. Canada R RUNCHARGER I Live Here
RUNCHARGER I Live Here R Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 15,976 Chilliwack B.C. Canada	70 Challenger, 426 Hemi, shaker, automatic, Dana 60, factory rear spoiler, 15X7 rallye wheels, factory AM8trk, headers, stock exhaust, no bondo 3830lbs with half tank of fuel. On the very same scale my 67 GTX 440 automatic weighed 3700lbs, my 68 340S, 4 speed, M.B. M.S. was 3000lbs. Sheldon

Re: E-body weights please! [Re: Pacnorthcuda] #215110 02/05/09 11:14 PM 02/05/09 11:14 PM
Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,708 S. Il. U.S.A. 5spdcuda top fuel
5spdcuda top fuel Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,708 S. Il. U.S.A.	No question about it, my car is heavier than I would like it to be. That's just the way it is. Obviously a big block with iron heads is a good deal heavier than a small block with aluminum heads and intake. So where's the difference? Well here are a few possibilities. Power steering vs. manual; big difference. Disc brakes with 11.75 rotors vs. drums; some difference. 1.25 front anti-roll bar vs. none; it matters. Not all 26 in. radiators are the same. My Duster had a two row 26 in. radiator that was much lighter than the 26 in. three row in the 'Cuda. I thought about using the two row, but this was my first experience running aluminum heads on an iron block and I could just see getting stuck in traffic on a 100* day, so I chickened out and went with the three row. Last I am not sure just when they started putting door guard beams in the doors, but I definitely have them and the doors are heavy. Maybe somebody else has some ideas. All I can say is that in my experience "E" bodies weigh more than late '60s "A" bodies. About the same as late '60s "B" bodies, and less than '71 up "B" bodies. This of course assumes comparing cars with similar options.

Re: E-body weights please! [Re: 5spdcuda] #215111 02/05/09 11:42 PM 02/05/09 11:42 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 28,596 Shopping @ HoBo Fright 340SIX Doc Flappergas's Evil Twin
340SIX Doc Flappergas's Evil Twin Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 28,596 Shopping @ HoBo Fright	Whats a small block convertable weigh in at 4000? [img]https://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee87/fast340six/sig%20pics/2840886-340SIX-1.jpg[/img] VP of the MPM in New Orleans 73 Dart Sport 340/ 70 challenger vert. That may still get built, If I live long enough

Re: E-body weights please! #215112 02/06/09 09:44 AM 02/06/09 09:44 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 477 Clarkston,MI Todd_DesMarais super street
Todd_DesMarais super street Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 477 Clarkston,MI	Quote: Quote: GY3.... look at your numbers, they don't add right Why not? SB = 3260 BB = 3440 What doesn't add up about that?! They were both done at the local grain elevator and my truck has been on multiple elevator scales and weighed the same. 180 lbs diff with 150 being the BB and 30 or so being the 904 to 727? Your first post doesn't say that the '71 is a SB. it makes a little more sense now that you clarified that. aduC' 47 IIeredevleB 66 383 etilletaS 66 DTC 0053 MAR 50 "ssenlli latnem a dna ,ybboh a neewteb enil enif a si ereht"

Re: E-body weights please! [Re: Todd_DesMarais] #215113 02/06/09 11:20 AM 02/06/09 11:20 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 8,847 poplar bluff mo. T toplescuda I Whine
toplescuda I Whine T Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 8,847 poplar bluff mo.	i had both of my 70 cudas weighed on same scale #1 1970 barracuda convertable 383 auto with air compleatly stock 1/4 tank of gas was 3660 with out my big butt in it #2pro street(1970 cuda) car back halfed 4 link, cell 8 point cage 2 nos bottles, alum back floor/trunk/wheel tubbs, 15x15 pro stars,plastic seats, fiberglass fenders,header panel,valance,340/auto,manual steer/brakes,fiberglass hood weighed 3,000 lbs with 6 gal of fuel and me not in it 1970 barracuda convert. 1 of 59 1970 pro street A.A.R. clone (panther pink) 1971 charger 2015 hellcat challenger. Redline red 2014 quad cab 4x4 ram 8 speed hemi

Re: E-body weights please! [Re: toplescuda] #215114 02/06/09 11:57 AM 02/06/09 11:57 AM
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Anonymous OP Unregistered A	Quote: Weighed on certified +/- 10 pound scale 3450 Mine was almost identical in equipment save for cast iron intake and no subframe connectors (probably cancel each other out). Oh yeah, added P/S to boot. Quote: every street challenger and cuda in the race forum weighs over 3750!!! 3400 no way Most of them have a cage and subframe connectors as well. That adds at least +/- 150? My experience has always been that Challengers will be heavier as well. I don't really know why either.

Re: E-body weights please! #215115 02/06/09 12:17 PM 02/06/09 12:17 PM
Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 15,134 Kelowna, B.C. Canada D DPelletier I Live Here
DPelletier I Live Here D Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 15,134 Kelowna, B.C. Canada	Thanks for posting this. I don't know if we're all that much closer to a definative answer, but it IS interesting. I'm thinking that the discrepancies are to do with options, modifications AND different scales. I'm gonna weigh my Super Bee and my Cuda on certified CAT scales in the spring. Dave 1970 Super Bee 440 Six Pack 1974 'Cuda 2008 Ram 3500 Diesel 2006 Ram 3500 Diesel 2004.5 Ram 2500 Diesel 2003 Ram 3500 Diesel 2006 Durango Limited [url] http://1970superbee.piczo.com [/url]

Re: E-body weights please! [Re: scatpacktom] #215116 02/06/09 12:23 PM 02/06/09 12:23 PM
Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 15,134 Kelowna, B.C. Canada D DPelletier I Live Here
DPelletier I Live Here D Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 15,134 Kelowna, B.C. Canada	Quote: FWIW The T/A in my sig weighs 3250.Has heater delete,radio delete,alum 4 speed,alum flywheel and pressure plate,man disc brakes,man steering,spool among other little "things". Also I have a 72 340 Cuda that weighs 3570.It is a completly stock car.Undercoated,PS,man drum brakes,torqueflite,console,22 inch rad I have to agree that it's pretty hard to believe that GY3's undercoated A/C car could be 3260. I'm NOT questioning anybodies honesty, but I think the scale was probably off. Cheers, Dave 1970 Super Bee 440 Six Pack 1974 'Cuda 2008 Ram 3500 Diesel 2006 Ram 3500 Diesel 2004.5 Ram 2500 Diesel 2003 Ram 3500 Diesel 2006 Durango Limited [url] http://1970superbee.piczo.com [/url]

Re: E-body weights please! #215117 02/06/09 12:35 PM 02/06/09 12:35 PM
Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,708 S. Il. U.S.A. 5spdcuda top fuel
5spdcuda top fuel Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,708 S. Il. U.S.A.	Everything else being equal a Challenger should weigh more than a Barracuda since they have two inches more wheelbase. FWIW I think this also gives them a little better weight distribution. Of course on a real race car overall weight and weight distribution can vary considerably from production.

Re: E-body weights please! [Re: 5spdcuda] #215118 02/06/09 01:15 PM 02/06/09 01:15 PM
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Anonymous OP Unregistered A	Quote: but I think the scale was probably off. The car was weighed (in smallblock form) in Newton, KS for the 3260 at the grain elevator and (in BB form) in Valley Center, KS at the grain elevator. The difference of 180 lbs. is right on from what I've seen from other cars going from SB/904 to BB/727.

Re: E-body weights please! #215119 02/06/09 08:31 PM 02/06/09 08:31 PM
Joined: Oct 2004 Posts: 413 p.a. 4 420duster mopar
420duster mopar 4 Joined: Oct 2004 Posts: 413 p.a.	Ok everybody, my 74 cuda ,2nd owner survivor, 318 3 speed,rally dash,no a/c,radio delete,power steering,power disc brakes,323 open rear, console, bucket seats,undercoat car (P.A.)was 3290 as per grain scale.The only thing I did was put 2.5 inch dual exhaust in it.FWIW

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