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Rallye dash wood grain? #214620
02/05/09 09:54 AM
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Need to restore the wood on my Rallye dash. Which is better, easier to do, buy the wood grain with the metal backing or just the decal and cover the old one? Who sells the best looking repos.

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Re: Rallye dash wood grain? [Re: RedFish] #214621
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I suggest the woodgrain panel kit sold by B,E&A. They are the nicest in my opinion. The vinyl overlays, well look like overlays.


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Re: Rallye dash wood grain? [Re: Mike Mancini] #214622
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Right, BE&A is on my radar screen. His stuff is top notch, but there is a huge difference in price between the overlays and the full panel. Just tryig to justify it in my mind while looking for opinions.

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My dash currently has the overlay and I'm not very happy with it. I'm trying to justify parting with $650 to replace it, but it's just a driver and I'm not rich
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I struggled with the same thing and ended up with the ones that BE/A and PG Classics sells. They are VERY nice. Yep, they are expensive, but nothing else compares to how nice they are.

I say give Mike a call if you can afford 'em.

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Re: Rallye dash wood grain? [Re: DPelletier] #214625
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I have the reproduction woodgrain bezels many sell (PG Classic/BEA /RTE...)and unless they changed them to make them more correct, I would give them a 7.5 out of 10. The ones I have are very shiney and lack some of the detail of the originals and the anadized part around the outside edge is a tad thicker and the color is off from my originals. Some ot these issues may have been improved by now (got mine from the first run)so I would call Mike at BEA parts as he is likely to have the best set avail. What I did was to use the overlay from Detroit Muscle Tech but to get these overlays to look perfect requires some prep work, patience and skill but when finished correctly, they look very good IMHO. I will try to post a pic when I get a chance today.

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I have the reproduction woodgrain bezels many sell (PG Classic/BEA /RTE...)and unless they changed them to make them more correct, I would give them a 7.5 out of 10. The ones I have are very shiney and lack some of the detail of the originals and the anadized part around the outside edge is a tad thicker and the color is off from my originals. Some ot these issues may have been improved by now (got mine from the first run)so I would call Mike at BEA parts as he is likely to have the best set avail. What I did was to use the overlay from Detroit Muscle Tech but to get these overlays to look perfect requires some prep work, patience and skill but when finished correctly, they look very good IMHO. I will try to post a pic when I get a chance today.




I'm confused with what you have. The repros I bought are the metal silkscreened ones; there is no anodized part around the outside edge. On the originals, there is the chrome plastic edging, but that is a separate pce from the woodgrain.

I know somebody (PG?) was making plastic 1pc repros at one point, is that what you bought?

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Re: Rallye dash wood grain? [Re: THESHAKERPROJECT] #214627
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I see that James is selling the overlays and I know his product is good, but from what I can tell you have to cut the overlays out where the lettering is. Or do they just go over the raised lettering? Seems messy.

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Sorry, I was talking about the E-BODY ones...

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Re: Rallye dash wood grain? [Re: Kidsixpack] #214630
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I was looking the AB&E website at please correct me if I'm wrong, but it looks to me like the woodgrain is an overlay. Is that how they were from the factory. Woodgrain over the black pebble?
If so? Than my overlay maybe okay?
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Here is thier pebble grain!
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I was looking the AB&E website at please correct me if I'm wrong, but it looks to me like the woodgrain is an overlay. Is that how they were from the factory. Woodgrain over the black pebble?
If so? Than my overlay maybe okay?
KID


That's how they did it.
I had bought a dash from a 69 Charger SE years ago for a BEE project and didn't want the woodgrain. When I looked into removing it, I found that I couldn't without replacing the pebble grain parts, there was a panel that was added over the pebble grain. They cut holes in the plastic pebble grain parts and installed a metal panel that had taps going through the holes and bent over to secure the woodgrain panels.

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I was looking the AB&E website at please correct me if I'm wrong, but it looks to me like the woodgrain is an overlay. Is that how they were from the factory. Woodgrain over the black pebble?
If so? Than my overlay maybe okay?
KID


That's how they did it.
I had bought a dash from a 69 Charger SE years ago for a BEE project and didn't want the woodgrain. When I looked into removing it, I found that I couldn't without replacing the pebble grain parts, there was a panel that was added over the pebble grain. They cut holes in the plastic pebble grain parts and installed a metal panel that had taps going through the holes and bent over to secure the woodgrain panels.





The factory method was an overlay, but the 'woodgrain' portion is a very delicate piece of aluminum. To add the woodgrain to a pebblegrain dash you also would need the steel portion that contains the tabs mentioned above. In other words the woodgrain is a sandwich of the steel (with tabs) mount plate, which provides a surface to glue the aluminum woodgrain plate to.
I can take photos if clarification is needed. (read that I didn't describe it well enough)

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I know I need the lower left piece, but otherwise how does this look? I would like to see some more for compairison if you have one post it?
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Steve, got a close up shot of your steering wheel? The wood grain looks really authentic, who re-did it?

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Click the attachment. I don't have another pic. but that blows it up pretty good! I'll check to see If I have a receipt fot the whel.
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I was looking the AB&E website at please correct me if I'm wrong, but it looks to me like the woodgrain is an overlay. Is that how they were from the factory. Woodgrain over the black pebble?
If so? Than my overlay maybe okay?
KID




Like the others have said, the factory ones consisted of a silkscreened aluminum panel attached to what appears to be galanized steel with tabs. They were then attached to the pebble grain bezels through holes in the bezels which you bend the tabs over.

The stuff BE&A sells is just like the factory stuff in how it goes together.

Unfortunately, what that all means is that you need to buy the woodgrain AND the plastic bezels unless your originals have good enough chrome on them. Refinishing the original bezels (in my experience) cost as much or more than buying the new plastic ones.

Oh, and the only other thing to mention is the repop plastic bezels will need to be cut for the woodgrain tabs.

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2 different animals here.

The Ebody one is flat and easy to make the overlay look great. I have one in my car and am VERY pleased with it. Use a hair dryer (to soften the vinyl) and a small plastic tool (bondo squeege) to form fit around the lettering "humps" and then place my switch labels on top. This is more correct looking for a 70-71 application. Later years have the graphics which I can't duplicate the look.

The B bodies have that recessed area around the radio. An overlay would be tough to make look good there.


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