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Re: Dominator or 4150? [Re: 67mprfan] #2135527
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Originally Posted By 67mprfan
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Originally Posted By roadhazard
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Springfield, Ohio. Near Dayton.


Are you running at Kilkare 6.50 class


That is the class I want to run but I haven't yet because I don't have the car there yet. Been running brackets with it up to this point. This is my first year with this car and I spent the first half of the season getting it to handle well enough to race it.

Re: Dominator or 4150? [Re: cudadoug] #2135540
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Originally Posted By cudadoug
Here is some real world experience from days gone by:

Two different times, I bought two different turn key cars that had 1050 Dominators that I thought would be too big.

First one: 69 Dart, warmed up 440, MP .484 cam, 11" OE converter, 3.91's. I SWEAR TO YOU it had an old Torker/adaptor and a 1050 Dom. Ran 11.91 @ 114 mph and I KNEW I could speed it up with my "trick" AED 850 DP. Ummmm, NO. I went to TnT ran the Dom and then changed over. I made several more runs trying different tune ups and the best I could get it to go was 12.02 @ 112, Crazy or what??

Next, a 73 Cuda back half car with a 383. What a odd mish mash of parts that was! TRW domed pistons, R280 roller (!) 2 1/8" primary headers (!!!) 8" converter a 4.86 gear and 14x32 rubber. Intake was a Team G 4500 with a 1050 Dom. It ran 11.19 @ 120 on the Dom and again, knew that carb was too big, so out came that trusty trick AED 850. After throwing jets and squirters at it, the best was 11.28 @ 119.

THEN...a buddy said the Team G was junk and let me try his untouched M1 4150 base. Back to TnT, base line with the 4500 Team G/Dom was right where we left off the previous week; 11.19 @ 120. Switched over to the M1/adaptor/Dom and went 11.09 @ 122.


Interesting results. Seems to reinforce what others have posted, but it is always a great help to have real test results that apply to what I want to do. Thanks.

Re: Dominator or 4150? [Re: Dragula] #2136209
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Originally Posted By Dragula
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What about a pro systems SV1 carb............ fan


We got 1 guy here who runs an SV1 on a 512 in a fr/back halved Dart with a glide and the CC 290@.050/.650" SFT cam, gave up on it when he first bought it but kept with it and is now running pb's at 9.0's with it, one of only a handful of Mopars that we got that runs well.


I am still working on mine, but at the moment, my street car that I was testing it on, has suffered a big engine failure while racing it. My intention was to put it back on and tune as good as I can get it right after the last Nostalgia race I was in when a rod let go.

I will be putting it back on for more tuning with an AFR gauge after I rebuild, if it doesn't sell first.

Neat carburetors, and I think they take a bit of tuning to get them right. Mine idles and drives great, but I was fighting a rich condition at WOT and partial throttle. Now that I have the G3 1250 Dominator working like EFI, I was going to continue working on the SV1, but it might be a while.


Buddy of mine put one on his back half LUV truck with a 434 stroker small block chevy and a sledge hammer plate, it dropped 3 tenths over the dominator he was running. Only thing I have noticed with Dominators and SV1 carbs is they aren't as street friendly as 4150 carbs, which is the only reason I still have my 4150 1000 carb on my truck.


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1000cfm 4150 carb, 93 octane fuel.
motor; 10.258 @ 132.78
200 shot; 9.262 @ 144.69
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Re: Dominator or 4150? [Re: Al_Alguire] #2136213
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Originally Posted By Al_Alguire
Just bolt on this little guy. I'm sure it will be great, btw it's for a SB smile But wait it has more than 2 circuits, how could it work smile

As for EFI vs Carb stuff. Look no farther than Pro Stock for an answer. We have a couple of guys in the NA ranks who have tried it and keep coming back to the carbs. FWIW there is a lot more to it than CFM, Venrturi size and basically JUST the carb. Deck height manifold design intended rpm range yada yada yada..



I mean, I can take it off your hands if you don't want it...... laugh


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1000cfm 4150 carb, 93 octane fuel.
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200 shot; 9.262 @ 144.69
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Re: Dominator or 4150? [Re: Al_Alguire] #2136249
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Originally Posted By Al_Alguire
Just bolt on this little guy. I'm sure it will be great, btw it's for a SB smile But wait it has more than 2 circuits, how could it work smile

As for EFI vs Carb stuff. Look no farther than Pro Stock for an answer. We have a couple of guys in the NA ranks who have tried it and keep coming back to the carbs. FWIW there is a lot more to it than CFM, Venrturi size and basically JUST the carb. Deck height manifold design intended rpm range yada yada yada..



I have one of those too. Runs just fine with the intermediates plugged...



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Re: Dominator or 4150? [Re: Oldbracketracer] #2136253
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Originally Posted By Oldbracketracer
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Originally Posted By roadhazard
oldbracket racer. what's your 20?


Springfield, Ohio. Near Dayton.


Are you running at Kilkare 6.50 class


That is the class I want to run but I haven't yet because I don't have the car there yet. Been running brackets with it up to this point. This is my first year with this car and I spent the first half of the season getting it to handle well enough to race it.




I'll be there for a couple of race's stop by and say hello

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71 demon stock stroke 440/indy ez-1 running 10.10 @ 132.14 mph in the 1/4 and 6.36 @ 107.46 mph in the 1/8 not in the same weekend but It did it then I sold it.
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I will try to look you up. If you've been there much this year you've probably seen my car. It's a purple 84 Shelby Charger (looks like an Omni) with yellow and orange graphics on the side. It spent the first part of the season trying to jump into the wall at the hit, but it has since turned into a pretty good race car. I think it just wanted me to spend a few hundred hours underneath it before it would act normal. Mission accomplished.



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Carb tuner I'm not..... If it launches clean, pulls the quarter, I'm a pretty happy guy. I'm learning more, but have a long way to go. I picked this up since I only had a 750 BG car laying around and since it is a 4150 intake, allowed the air filter to fit. On a "whim" one weekend we put the old 1050 Dominator from our W5 mill on. I used a 2" adapter and we were hoping to pick up some since it was a heads up challenge race. The car slowed. Some day I'll try a different intake and play a bit more.... but for now this "small" carb does ok.

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Originally Posted By slammedR/T
Originally Posted By Dragula
Originally Posted By rb446
Originally Posted By slammedR/T
What about a pro systems SV1 carb............ fan


We got 1 guy here who runs an SV1 on a 512 in a fr/back halved Dart with a glide and the CC 290@.050/.650" SFT cam, gave up on it when he first bought it but kept with it and is now running pb's at 9.0's with it, one of only a handful of Mopars that we got that runs well.


I am still working on mine, but at the moment, my street car that I was testing it on, has suffered a big engine failure while racing it. My intention was to put it back on and tune as good as I can get it right after the last Nostalgia race I was in when a rod let go.

I will be putting it back on for more tuning with an AFR gauge after I rebuild, if it doesn't sell first.

Neat carburetors, and I think they take a bit of tuning to get them right. Mine idles and drives great, but I was fighting a rich condition at WOT and partial throttle. Now that I have the G3 1250 Dominator working like EFI, I was going to continue working on the SV1, but it might be a while.


Buddy of mine put one on his back half LUV truck with a 434 stroker small block chevy and a sledge hammer plate, it dropped 3 tenths over the dominator he was running. Only thing I have noticed with Dominators and SV1 carbs is they aren't as street friendly as 4150 carbs, which is the only reason I still have my 4150 1000 carb on my truck.


Sixpackgut (Ray)on here got 16+ mpg`s w/a 1050 dommy I did for him on his late model hemi in his Cuda. They can run real clean on the street IF you know the areas that need attention...........


72 Dart 470 n/a BB stroker street car `THUMPER`...Check me out on FB Dominic Thumper for videos and lots of carb pics......760-900-3895.....
Re: Dominator or 4150? [Re: Thumperdart] #2136403
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I would think that depends more on cubic inches than the carb, no? I might get 7mpg-8mpg on my 605....It will not get 16mpg efi or otherwise....My old Hemi did, but there is no way my current one will. Just keep an eye on the gas gauge and fill when needed.....


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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCvfzsC4NgM (9.9)

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Re: Dominator or 4150? [Re: Dragula] #2136420
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No doubt a big motor demands more fuel and of course cam, comp, fuel etc. play a role and that`s why I said late model hemi and 16+ mpg cos I doubt my 470 gets that but never really checked or cared.............


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Re: Dominator or 4150? [Re: Oldbracketracer] #2136473
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FWIW...my 572" hemi got a tick over 10 MPG the one and only time I ever checked it. I filled it up, drove down to the beach, about an hour each way, then checked it again. I was happy w/ that from my motor and a 1200 cfm dominator.


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Re: Dominator or 4150? [Re: Mark Whitener] #2136516
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Originally Posted By Mark Whitener
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I have one of those too. Runs just fine with the intermediates plugged..


And that one works just fine as does our 4 circuit Braswell just fine thanks. Talked to Dale for quite a bit he was full of info for sure on many topics. More than one way to skin a cat, or are you saying 2 circuits are the only way? Seems like the common theme anyway. From my experience around comp and Pro NA and NA10.5 guys I don't know anyone using a 2 circuit Dominator. Just saying....


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Back to the original subject. My 434 small block could use a Dominator but I don't have room for a spacer, carb and air cleaner, so I ordered a new BLP billet main body. This winter I may pull the intake and mod it to accept a Dominator if needed.

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Originally Posted By Al_Alguire
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I have one of those too. Runs just fine with the intermediates plugged..


And that one works just fine as does our 4 circuit Braswell just fine thanks. Talked to Dale for quite a bit he was full of info for sure on many topics. More than one way to skin a cat, or are you saying 2 circuits are the only way? Seems like the common theme anyway. From my experience around comp and Pro NA and NA10.5 guys I don't know anyone using a 2 circuit Dominator. Just saying....


Nothing is ever set in stone with engines and carbs. It's just that the intermediate circuit is way overused and in some cases misused to compensate from a poorly designed main circuit. Meaning improper sizing of the main passages, poor booster selection, poor calibration, or a combo of the above. And most of the time when set up correctly it will run as good or better without it. And a street engine should NEVER have a need for it.


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Update;
Today I met with 67mprfan and bought a 1050 dominator from him. I have an M1 intake coming from Summit so before too long I will have some results of my own.I will post an update as soon as I have a chance to test. It's probably going to be a couple of weeks before I can make the swap because of my schedule, but I'll post up when I get it done. I checked out the jetting that's in it now, it's 95/97 which seems a bit rich to me, but who knows. I'll find out what it wants. Thanks to everyone who's posted on this thread for their help.

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Originally Posted By Oldbracketracer
Update;
Today I met with 67mprfan and bought a 1050 dominator from him. I have an M1 intake coming from Summit so before too long I will have some results of my own.I will post an update as soon as I have a chance to test. It's probably going to be a couple of weeks before I can make the swap because of my schedule, but I'll post up when I get it done. I checked out the jetting that's in it now, it's 95/97 which seems a bit rich to me, but who knows. I'll find out what it wants. Thanks to everyone who's posted on this thread for their help.




I never ran it with those jets I was going to put that carb back on after I got my junk back together again but already had to many changes going on so I kept my old one on and was going to do comparison later..... Thanks for stopping by


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Originally Posted By 67mprfan
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Update;
Today I met with 67mprfan and bought a 1050 dominator from him. I have an M1 intake coming from Summit so before too long I will have some results of my own.I will post an update as soon as I have a chance to test. It's probably going to be a couple of weeks before I can make the swap because of my schedule, but I'll post up when I get it done. I checked out the jetting that's in it now, it's 95/97 which seems a bit rich to me, but who knows. I'll find out what it wants. Thanks to everyone who's posted on this thread for their help.




I never ran it with those jets I was going to put that carb back on after I got my junk back together again but already had to many changes going on so I kept my old one on and was going to do comparison later..... Thanks for stopping by


Ah, that makes sense. Thanks for letting me know that. Thumperdart gave me a starting point for jetting, I'll get it dialed in ok. I'll let you know how it goes. Nice meeting you today, good luck with your ride.

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Whats the List number on that Carb?Is it a HP or a early non HP carb.?


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