Re: no love for the truck V10
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My 96 v10 Ram is stil going strong. Rusting to nothing but still runs great with 165000 on it now. It is still almost all original except for belt, battery, brakes and front steering parts.
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Re: no love for the truck V10
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Wish I would have kept the 96 V10 Club Cab long box 2WD I bought new, but when the engine blew at 1000 miles I was soured even though the dealer put a new engine in right away. The other issue was I ordered it two tone white and aqua and it came in all aqua like my buddy's truck! I did have another 2001 V10 5-speed which was a great driver, but it ran out of steam quickly with the 4.10 gears...
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Re: no love for the truck V10
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The OD thing would certainly help, they were just turning too many RPM on the highway even with the 3.55 gears. I bet a tight quench would help a ton though also.
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Re: no love for the truck V10
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I know they are gas hogs and way tuned down but I love mine.
Only Brand New Vehicle ever for me. Special ordered ('96) with a Reg cab 2500 V10 stick, Dana 80 and 60.
Of all the treasures collected in my lifetime, my oldest boys both think it is the most valuable.
I often pondered turbo charging it? Just think how badly ANY of the big three Diesels would run with NO boost?
I used to get the strangest looks pullin' a #4200 boat up steep reservoir ramps.
Granny gear just off idle and nearly SILENT! Before I put the Ford rear in my truck ( in pic) it was a NON posi... After I launched my boat one time, friends wife offered to park the truck and trailer for me.. Bad Idea... Burnout all the way up the ramp and halfway to a parking spot.. 454/Turbo 400 in the truck....
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Re: no love for the truck V10
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I bet a tight quench would help a ton though also. What can we learn about Quench clearance and the ratio of rod length to stroke By looking at Magnum 5.2 .... 3.31 .... 9.1 comp ratio Magnum 5.9 .... 3.58 .... 8.9 ( really 8.7 or so) Iron V10 8.0 .... 3.84 .... 8.4 All wth 6.123 connecting rods Willem Weertman says in his book Chrysler Engines that the 8 L Iron block truck V10 used the Magnum 5.9 pistons to keep costs down As the rod/stroke ratio gets Higher The piston "dwells" longer near top dead center And allegedly the fuel burning completes faster because pressure stays higher I wish Bob Lutz had ordered the engineers using the new computer programs to build the first iron V10 with a 3.31 stroke and the flat top Magnum 5.2 pistons, and maybe a tight quench 10.5 to 1 compression ratio requiring premium 92 AKI gasoline, then increased the stroke every couple years to add cubic inches.
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Re: no love for the truck V10
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I bet a tight quench would help a ton though also. What can we learn about Quench clearance and the ratio of rod length to stroke By looking at Magnum 5.2 .... 3.31 .... 9.1 comp ratio Magnum 5.9 .... 3.58 .... 8.9 ( really 8.7 or so) Iron V10 8.0 .... 3.84 .... 8.4 All wth 6.123 connecting rods Willem Weertman says in his book Chrysler Engines that the 8 L Iron block truck V10 used the Magnum 5.9 pistons to keep costs down As the rod/stroke ratio gets Higher The piston "dwells" longer near top dead center And allegedly the fuel burning completes faster because pressure stays higher I wish Bob Lutz had ordered the engineers using the new computer programs to build the first iron V10 with a 3.31 stroke and the flat top Magnum 5.2 pistons, and maybe a tight quench 10.5 to 1 compression ratio requiring premium 92 AKI gasoline, then increased the stroke every couple years to add cubic inches. 7-9 pounds of boost on that 8.4 ( perhaps less) e85 . If only I had a tuner.(megasquirt)? They never made squat fer the iron v10?
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Re: no love for the truck V10
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Just saw one on the street in Spokane today. Black 96 short bed standard cab 4x4. Clear coat was all baked off the thing but was very straight and rust free. Nice looking truck overall. V10's are not a common sight around here these days. I've never seen such a truck. Homemade or otherwise.
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Re: no love for the truck V10
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How do the heads flow on those motors? Is it worth milling and getting the compression/quench up or are there other limiting factors. The aluminum V10 cylinder head has had lots of porting experimentation by shops, but the iron V10 head ports are supposedly very different, smaller in order to get peak momentum airflow rates at lower rpm for bottom end torque. The official Chrysler press release claims the iron V10 makes 90% of peak torque at only 1200 rpm. Iron V10 heads have individual exhaust ports on each cylinder unlike small block 5.2/5.9 cyl heads, but i wonder if one of the two different official Mopar Performance sold Magnum 5.2/5.9 plastic intake templates might be a good guide for intake side porting? The shapes of the V8 and V10 combustion chambers are very similar.
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Re: no love for the truck V10
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Wish I would have kept the 96 V10 Club Cab long box 2WD I bought new, but when the engine blew at 1000 miles I was soured even though the dealer put a new engine in right away. The other issue was I ordered it two tone white and aqua and it came in all aqua like my buddy's truck! I did have another 2001 V10 5-speed which was a great driver, but it ran out of steam quickly with the 4.10 gears... Sorry to hear. The iron v10 fo' sure got no support from the aftermarket. Guess most were happy (or unhappy and got rid of them?) I relate mine to a 488 ci. in. '2' barrel. it has no big hit when you floor it. Just seamless smooth power? An old Farmer I worked with when it was ordered could not believe I was ordering it with 3.5 gear? (he thought 4.56/4,88 would be his ideal) She tips the scales at 6000 with me in it and is rev limited to 4850 RPM. (probably why it's still together 20+ years later) I too have had great durability, new suspension, one serpentine a couple sets of plugs and a new clutch at 120,000 (thanks son) hits the rev limiter at a bit over 120 MPH in fourth. My pup and I went on a mushroom expedition last spring up to N Michigan. We ran 80-85 and got 14 MPG. (180,000 on the clock) My old bud had one for nearly as long and hauled a 6 horse with living quarters hay firewood and everything else. He said that old gas engine would "pass everything but a gas station". He finally got a Cummins, but still has a glint in his eye when talking about his old v10.
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Re: no love for the truck V10
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Plenty of love for the Dodge V10 here, we had a '96. 2wd long box club cab would get 15mpg on the highway. In town it was heavy on fuel. Driving it was a pleasure and compares to a 440 C-Body. I test drove a 4wd V10 and it wasn't near as nice to drive and was slower than the 2wd. Big mistake on the discontinuation of that engine. Just picked up a Ford V10 and it's a way different engine than the Dodge: it's a screamer.
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Re: no love for the truck V10
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Loved my '03 QC sb 2wd. Towed my 5th wheel just as well as my CTD does. Only problem is the CTD gets better fuel mileage towing the 5er than the V10 did empty.
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Re: no love for the truck V10
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Boost has been done Momopar, there is a video on Youtube of a guy that put a turbo V10 in a First Gen.
Poor quality video but you sure get the idea. Even 4 or 6 pounds to stay on the safe side would get the torque to 600.
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Re: no love for the truck V10
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YUP!
I use the proper plug.
Tried Bosch NGK and Autolite and the Champions do best.
I looked into an SCT. he wasn't real perceptive on a 6000 RPM limit?
YIKES!
The old dawg will do 120+ now hitting the 4800 rev limiter,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,in fourth!
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Re: no love for the truck V10
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We just finished a 1600+ mile trip pulling my 28 foot enclosed car trailer with my V-10 1999 Ram 2500. The truck pulled great, the 8 mpg kinda sucked.
Kayse can't keep up at all now. lol
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Re: no love for the truck V10
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Originally the 8.0L made 350 hp / 450 ft lbs of torque.Same parts as engine was built with.Production was 300 hp/415 lbs ft IIRC. Cal was changed to satisfy the trans group.Pulled the advance out of the cal (good-bye mileage). Later a dual throttle body version was tested but not built (350 hp/500 ft lbs of torque). Mopar Perf claimed a fifty or more hp gain with a cam they listed in the MP catalog for a while.
Engine had an issue with oil drain back (cyl hd design issue) and crank windage. Above 4400 the engine badly needed a different (deeper) oil pan with a tray as stock pan was very close to crank.Serious oil pressure problems killed the hp (peak hp was @ 4800) version. It was on schd for 2004. Powers to be decided it wasn't needed as the 5.7L was ready.
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Re: no love for the truck V10
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I might have to shoot him another email.
He has some tunes for the iron v10 and also has an all out one he made up for a puller.
I started talkin' turbo/e85 and he thought I would be better served with a "local" Guy (gal).
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There is NO one local?
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Re: no love for the truck V10
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"Necessity is the Mother of all inventions"?
Talked to the best SCT guy out there and he seemed pretty cold at the whole Idea?
I have read the Mopar ECM raised the rev limiter? (but also bumped timing requiring premium)
Been looking on the bag and only find stock ones?
Mine is a stick and always ran alot better than my buds auto of the same year? He always thought my ECM was tuned better? Probably not, just no torque control needed with the stick ECM. The 5.9 PCMs always disabled the limiter, and required premium. I'd imagine the V-10 ones did too. "Pulled the advance out of the cal (good-bye mileage)."Later it was done for some reason on the V-8s. The Dakota RT community trembled at the thought of "the death flash"
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Re: no love for the truck V10
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All this V10 talk made me dig out the Magnum book. The firing order is r-l-r-l-r-l-r-l-r-l which would require a flat plane crank for a V-8. Sure would suck to replace the oil pump though.
Wonder how hard a PCM would be to find, and there were headers and catback exhaust packages.
Anyone willing to make a cam? Maybe start with a Viper blank for a custom grind?
Pretty cool torque motors, no wonder the farmer was puzzled by the 3.55 choice. My Dad figured 4.10s in a work truck was for city slickers and dude ranchers, lol. YUP your Dad and ole Dell would really snicker at the effective gear with 33s on her now. figures out to 3.23. Gotta admit you can feel her labor a little stop and go with the new meats, but she sings right along on the interstates. Running 75 (by the speedo a bit over 2000) she doesn't get passed often? If you ever drove through NE Indiana NW Ohio you would know there is not even a 100 foot elevation change in 100 miles! If hills are encountered the old torque is a plenty in 4th gear. (even with an effective 3.23:1)
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Re: no love for the truck V10
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SCT tuner has a tune to raise it 1000rpm Ryan at flyin ryan performance has tuned a few of these. He does a lot more than raising the limiter by 1,000
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Re: no love for the truck V10
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Talked to the best SCT guy out there and he seemed pretty cold at the whole Idea?
Who was that? Sean hasn't been the best for quite some time. He failed to advance his skills and give the customer what he wants.
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Re: no love for the truck V10
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I'll try to keep it brief. I like the V10. It suits my style. It has more torque and power than the Cummins turbo diesel of the same year, but it burns twice as much fuel doing it. Nothing is perfect. I also like the Gen1 trucks. 2500 4x4, extended cab, long box to be specific. I don't like automatic transmissions. A couple of years ago I went looking for such a truck with the V10 and the NV4500 5 speed. Turns out they are extremely rare, at least in this part of the world. I finally found a ’95, it has severe body rust, but I bought it for the drive train thinking I’ll look for a truck with a good body and do the swap. I found a very nice ’01 a few months ago with a 360 and automatic. The conversion won’t be easy but at least I’ll end up with what I want. The V10 is an orphan engine. Parts are getting hard to come by and are expensive, if available at all. The crank and cam sensors are no longer available from any source. If one goes bad, you have to get creative. I am a big fan of Megasquirt and have converted several engines to MS. MS3 is now reported to support the V10. There are a few documented examples of MS3 on Vipers, but I can find nothing where anyone has used it on a truck engine. This all adds to the appeal. The engine runs well enough now. It has good compression and decent oil pressure. No bad noises. But it burns oil on decel. Lots of it. I suspect it is valve seals and/or oil control rings, so the engine will need freshening up before I do the transfer. Before I pull it though, I want to get it running well on MS. I don’t want to have to do the tuning process on a fresh engine. The engine will remain completely stock internally. The factory has done a very good job of building it for what I want to do. I’m hoping that with programmable EFI, I may be able to get a bit better mileage at part load, but if it doesn’t happen, it won’t break my heart. At this point I have MS3 assembled and bench tested. I have the wiring diagrams made up to interface MS3 into the ’95 harness. I am waiting for some PCBs that I designed for the ignition drivers. They are long overdue and are probably lost in the mail so I have re-ordered from another board house. When they eventually get here I’ll be able to get it all connected and start tuning So, there you have it, for what it’s worth.
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Re: no love for the truck V10
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I think you should consider the FiTech power adder system: Website These things are getting a lot of attention lately because it's simple. And, of course, I say the power adder system because you are going to take my suggestion above and run a turbo......right?
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Re: no love for the truck V10
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There are a few documented examples of MS3 on Vipers, but I can find nothing where anyone has used it on a truck engine. This all adds to the appeal.
That's probably because there are no shared components between the Viper and the truck engine so everything would have to be fabricated for a low performance engine. I actually think a twin rear turbo kit would really get a large truck moving. You have all the room for plumbing and won't add as much underhood heat.
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Re: no love for the truck V10
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If that was a 'true' '96 ram v10 shortbox me thinks he has a one O' one!
I tried in late "95 to order mine with a shortbox. Guess I saw too many 'fallguys"? The only short bed 2500 Rams were on "club" and then "quad" cab chassis. Back in the late '90s there was a guy in the Pensacola Fl. area who took a nearly new short bed,std. cab V6 Ram and swapped in the drivetrain from a wrecked V10 2500! Very cool truck! I think he added some stripes, wish I'd taken some pics.
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