Re: no love for the truck V10
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My 96 v10 Ram is stil going strong. Rusting to nothing but still runs great with 165000 on it now. It is still almost all original except for belt, battery, brakes and front steering parts.
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Re: no love for the truck V10
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Wish I would have kept the 96 V10 Club Cab long box 2WD I bought new, but when the engine blew at 1000 miles I was soured even though the dealer put a new engine in right away. The other issue was I ordered it two tone white and aqua and it came in all aqua like my buddy's truck! I did have another 2001 V10 5-speed which was a great driver, but it ran out of steam quickly with the 4.10 gears...
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Re: no love for the truck V10
[Re: momopar]
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The OD thing would certainly help, they were just turning too many RPM on the highway even with the 3.55 gears. I bet a tight quench would help a ton though also.
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Re: no love for the truck V10
[Re: momopar]
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I know they are gas hogs and way tuned down but I love mine.
Only Brand New Vehicle ever for me. Special ordered ('96) with a Reg cab 2500 V10 stick, Dana 80 and 60.
Of all the treasures collected in my lifetime, my oldest boys both think it is the most valuable.
I often pondered turbo charging it? Just think how badly ANY of the big three Diesels would run with NO boost?
I used to get the strangest looks pullin' a #4200 boat up steep reservoir ramps.
Granny gear just off idle and nearly SILENT! Before I put the Ford rear in my truck ( in pic) it was a NON posi... After I launched my boat one time, friends wife offered to park the truck and trailer for me.. Bad Idea... Burnout all the way up the ramp and halfway to a parking spot.. 454/Turbo 400 in the truck....
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Re: no love for the truck V10
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I bet a tight quench would help a ton though also. What can we learn about Quench clearance and the ratio of rod length to stroke By looking at Magnum 5.2 .... 3.31 .... 9.1 comp ratio Magnum 5.9 .... 3.58 .... 8.9 ( really 8.7 or so) Iron V10 8.0 .... 3.84 .... 8.4 All wth 6.123 connecting rods Willem Weertman says in his book Chrysler Engines that the 8 L Iron block truck V10 used the Magnum 5.9 pistons to keep costs down As the rod/stroke ratio gets Higher The piston "dwells" longer near top dead center And allegedly the fuel burning completes faster because pressure stays higher I wish Bob Lutz had ordered the engineers using the new computer programs to build the first iron V10 with a 3.31 stroke and the flat top Magnum 5.2 pistons, and maybe a tight quench 10.5 to 1 compression ratio requiring premium 92 AKI gasoline, then increased the stroke every couple years to add cubic inches.
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Re: no love for the truck V10
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I bet a tight quench would help a ton though also. What can we learn about Quench clearance and the ratio of rod length to stroke By looking at Magnum 5.2 .... 3.31 .... 9.1 comp ratio Magnum 5.9 .... 3.58 .... 8.9 ( really 8.7 or so) Iron V10 8.0 .... 3.84 .... 8.4 All wth 6.123 connecting rods Willem Weertman says in his book Chrysler Engines that the 8 L Iron block truck V10 used the Magnum 5.9 pistons to keep costs down As the rod/stroke ratio gets Higher The piston "dwells" longer near top dead center And allegedly the fuel burning completes faster because pressure stays higher I wish Bob Lutz had ordered the engineers using the new computer programs to build the first iron V10 with a 3.31 stroke and the flat top Magnum 5.2 pistons, and maybe a tight quench 10.5 to 1 compression ratio requiring premium 92 AKI gasoline, then increased the stroke every couple years to add cubic inches. 7-9 pounds of boost on that 8.4 ( perhaps less) e85 . If only I had a tuner.(megasquirt)? They never made squat fer the iron v10?
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Re: no love for the truck V10
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Just saw one on the street in Spokane today. Black 96 short bed standard cab 4x4. Clear coat was all baked off the thing but was very straight and rust free. Nice looking truck overall. V10's are not a common sight around here these days. I've never seen such a truck. Homemade or otherwise.
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Re: no love for the truck V10
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How do the heads flow on those motors? Is it worth milling and getting the compression/quench up or are there other limiting factors. The aluminum V10 cylinder head has had lots of porting experimentation by shops, but the iron V10 head ports are supposedly very different, smaller in order to get peak momentum airflow rates at lower rpm for bottom end torque. The official Chrysler press release claims the iron V10 makes 90% of peak torque at only 1200 rpm. Iron V10 heads have individual exhaust ports on each cylinder unlike small block 5.2/5.9 cyl heads, but i wonder if one of the two different official Mopar Performance sold Magnum 5.2/5.9 plastic intake templates might be a good guide for intake side porting? The shapes of the V8 and V10 combustion chambers are very similar.
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Re: no love for the truck V10
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Wish I would have kept the 96 V10 Club Cab long box 2WD I bought new, but when the engine blew at 1000 miles I was soured even though the dealer put a new engine in right away. The other issue was I ordered it two tone white and aqua and it came in all aqua like my buddy's truck! I did have another 2001 V10 5-speed which was a great driver, but it ran out of steam quickly with the 4.10 gears... Sorry to hear. The iron v10 fo' sure got no support from the aftermarket. Guess most were happy (or unhappy and got rid of them?) I relate mine to a 488 ci. in. '2' barrel. it has no big hit when you floor it. Just seamless smooth power? An old Farmer I worked with when it was ordered could not believe I was ordering it with 3.5 gear? (he thought 4.56/4,88 would be his ideal) She tips the scales at 6000 with me in it and is rev limited to 4850 RPM. (probably why it's still together 20+ years later) I too have had great durability, new suspension, one serpentine a couple sets of plugs and a new clutch at 120,000 (thanks son) hits the rev limiter at a bit over 120 MPH in fourth. My pup and I went on a mushroom expedition last spring up to N Michigan. We ran 80-85 and got 14 MPG. (180,000 on the clock) My old bud had one for nearly as long and hauled a 6 horse with living quarters hay firewood and everything else. He said that old gas engine would "pass everything but a gas station". He finally got a Cummins, but still has a glint in his eye when talking about his old v10.
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Re: no love for the truck V10
[Re: momopar]
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Plenty of love for the Dodge V10 here, we had a '96. 2wd long box club cab would get 15mpg on the highway. In town it was heavy on fuel. Driving it was a pleasure and compares to a 440 C-Body. I test drove a 4wd V10 and it wasn't near as nice to drive and was slower than the 2wd. Big mistake on the discontinuation of that engine. Just picked up a Ford V10 and it's a way different engine than the Dodge: it's a screamer.
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