Re: Mopar mini starter, amp draw?
[Re: DemonDust]
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No clue but works great and has for MANY years..........
72 Dart 470 n/a BB stroker street car `THUMPER`...Check me out on FB Dominic Thumper for videos and lots of carb pics......760-900-3895.....
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Re: Mopar mini starter, amp draw?
[Re: DemonDust]
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On my race car it pulls in the 200's. I measured it.
67 Coronet 500 9.610 @ 139.20 mph 67 Coronet 500 (street car) 14.82 @ 94 mph 69 GTX (clone) - build in progress......
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Re: Mopar mini starter, amp draw?
[Re: crackedback]
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The difference between a 16 foot section of 2ga and 2/0 wire is 3 pounds.
I'll take the weight penalty for a better voltage/amp path on that run every time. Yep.... plus compression is another factor.. at 200a he must have a few things going on... high compression, longer run on the wire and a little smaller wire... 150a is pretty normal... mine was 135a with the battery about 10' and a heavy gauge... cranking pressure was 190
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Re: Mopar mini starter, amp draw?
[Re: Wicked49670dart]
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I just installed a Power Master starter on my 496, my old starter was cranking the engine to slow and half the time would not fire my MSD. This starter spins the engine twice as fast! It draws 301 Amps at 10.41 volts. My battery is in the trunk and I use 00 gauge battery cable. Make sure your kill switch can handle the starter draw current if wired this way!
Years ago when I worked at the dealership... at 350A draw it was junk and got a new starter.. you must be running some compression.... that was with the old mopar big starter.... was your battery at 10.41 before you started cranking or did it draw it down that hard
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Re: Mopar mini starter, amp draw?
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Battery cables, both on the hot and ground side is NOT the place you want to save weight. Put BIG cables on it, whether you think it needs them or not. Hot start problems 99% of the time are not dragging starters or weak batteries........it's the cables. Agreed!
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Re: Mopar mini starter, amp draw?
[Re: 383man]
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Right idea, wrong formula. What you're talking about is power, measured in watts. volts X amps = watts (power) So for the same power, if volts goes up, amps goes down.
Power lost in the cables goes by the formula
watts = amps squared / ohms.
So you can see that by raising system voltage, you cut the losses in the power lines (cables). This is the same reason that long distance electric power transmission is done at very high voltages, like 500,000 volts.
Another factor is the resistance of the battery cables that increases as the wire temperature increases. And where do those wasted watts show up? Heat in the cables. Vicious circle.
What hasn't been mentioned yet is inrush current. When the starter is first powered up it may draw around twice the full load amps. This would be enough to pop a fast acting fuse or breaker that was sized for full load amps.
In conclusion, don't save money or weight on battery cables.
R.
Another plus of higher voltage is if you are running a conventional ignition system, points or Mopar breakerless, the coil works better with a higher voltage. With a CD ignition I think it doesn't matter.
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Re: Mopar mini starter, amp draw?
[Re: dogdays]
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Right idea, wrong formula. What you're talking about is power, measured in watts. volts X amps = watts (power) So for the same power, if volts goes up, amps goes down.
Power lost in the cables goes by the formula
watts = amps squared / ohms.
So you can see that by raising system voltage, you cut the losses in the power lines (cables). This is the same reason that long distance electric power transmission is done at very high voltages, like 500,000 volts.
Another factor is the resistance of the battery cables that increases as the wire temperature increases. And where do those wasted watts show up? Heat in the cables. Vicious circle.
What hasn't been mentioned yet is inrush current. When the starter is first powered up it may draw around twice the full load amps. This would be enough to pop a fast acting fuse or breaker that was sized for full load amps.
In conclusion, don't save money or weight on battery cables.
R.
Another plus of higher voltage is if you are running a conventional ignition system, points or Mopar breakerless, the coil works better with a higher voltage. With a CD ignition I think it doesn't matter. Yes you are right as I was thinking watts but using the electrical formula for electricity and not power. If you double the voltage the amps will go up with the same resistance but as you said its working power as they went to 12 volts from 6 to get the same working power from the starter using less amps. Hence what you said the watts formula. They had to make change's in the starter also. You are also right about the inrush amps or the initial hit which always takes more amps to get it moving and less once its moving. Myself I have never used any type of fuse in the main battery cable to the starter because they normally draw at least 150 to 250 amps and can go over 300 in the initial hit for a second or so. One of the reasons I use a Ford starter solenoid in my trunk with my trunk mounted battery is I ran my cable in the car under the carpet and I did not want my main battery cable hot at all times running under my carpet. So its only hot when cranking the eng. Ron
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