Re: Flat rate time to change 67 B-Body rear pinion/pumpkin seals
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Hi, both of mine are leaking. Want to make sure a shop is in the ballpark. How long will it take and what is a fair flat rate for them to quote, assuming no other issues. Estimated total cost including parts?? I had a backyard guy do pinion seal last year. Paid about $400 and still leaks like a sieve. Not going back to him.. You PAID a backyard hack $400 to change an $8-18 part ??? When you say pumpkin seal do you mean the gasket between the chunk and housing ? If the yoke is scored/rusty where the seal rides it's never going to stop leaking. Is the dust shield still in place , what case number is it ?
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Re: Flat rate time to change 67 B-Body rear pinion/pumpkin seals
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One more thing , are you SURE it's the pinion seal ???
It could be leaking out thru the yoke splines and from under the pinion nut washer ...
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Re: Flat rate time to change 67 B-Body rear pinion/pumpkin seals
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One more thing , are you SURE it's the pinion seal ???
It could be leaking out thru the yoke splines and from under the pinion nut washer ... John, it is a 742 3.23 posi unit. It had a drip from somewhere so I cleaned the vent tube. It has progressively worsened and now leaves a good puddle after a few weeks of sitting. I have refilled. I don't like working under cars on jack stands and rely on mechanics for this kind of work. I also have never pulled axles and worry about getting it back together properly/setting axles right. I actually have not cleaned it and cannot pinpoint the leak and will get some brake cleaner and go to town to try to. I am just preparing for a worst case and thought those two would be worst case. Obviously the case could be cracked, etc.. Puddles in two spots a few inches apart, so may have multiple issues. The backyard guy was a Ford tech for 20 years but has about 8 old Mopar projects in his backyard in various states. A good friend vouched for him, but I did not say "change the pinion seal". I said, fix my leaking rear end. Fail..
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Re: Flat rate time to change 67 B-Body rear pinion/pumpkin seals
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I doubt the case is cracked , they are pretty robust.
Is it leaking worse now than before Mr. Ford tech worked on it ? You have a big leak that should be fairly easy to find if it's leaving a puddle big enough that you have to refill it .
Mr. Ford tech owes you money ...
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Re: Flat rate time to change 67 B-Body rear pinion/pumpkin seals
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I doubt the case is cracked , they are pretty robust.
Is it working worse now than before Mr. Ford tech worked on it ? You have a big leak that should be fairly easy to find if it's leaving a puddle big enough that you have to refill it .
Mr. Ford tech owes you money ... I will clean it and then post pics. Rear functions well with no noises. I know he owes me and I am not taking my Mopar back. If my '70 Bronco ever needs work I will take it and ask for a discount. For a house in the city in Northern Va, he has some big time cars rusting outa stuffed in a small back yard. A 440-6 Roadrunner, a 440 cuda, a few Charger R/Ts. All outside, under covers, but probably beyond repair. They are toast.. I should try to handle this as I just finished a first time head swap (Edelbrock head/CH4B) successfully. You may have seen some of my first timer questions from that one. All wrapped up and just looking for drop base air cleaner base that will allow my stock lid.. This is not a job I would want to do twice, and I know I can screw up rear if preload not set properly, which I have no idea how to do.
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Re: Flat rate time to change 67 B-Body rear pinion/pumpkin seals
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I doubt the case is cracked , they are pretty robust.
Is it leaking worse now than before Mr. Ford tech worked on it ? You have a big leak that should be fairly easy to find if it's leaving a puddle big enough that you have to refill it .
Mr. Ford tech owes you money ... I will clean it and then post pics. Rear functions well with no noises. I know he owes me and I am not taking my Mopar back. If my '70 Bronco ever needs work I will take it and ask for a discount. For a house in the city in Northern Va, he has some big time cars rusting outa stuffed in a small back yard. A 440-6 Roadrunner, a 440 cuda, a few Charger R/Ts. All outside, under covers, but probably beyond repair. They are toast.. I should try to handle this as I just finished a first time head swap (Edelbrock head/CH4B) successfully. You may have seen some of my first timer questions from that one. All wrapped up and just looking for drop base air cleaner base that will allow my stock lid.. This is not a job I would want to do twice, and I know I can screw up rear if preload not set properly, which I have no idea how to do. I edited my post , I meant to ask leaking , not working. Setting the axle bearing preload is somewhat intimidating the first time but if you did a head swap it's not above your skill level. It's just tough humping the chunk in and out of the housing. All you need is a dead low hammer and a Dial indicator with a mag base. Gaskets are easy to get, but if the rear has never been apart it's a good time to change seals and regrease the bearings .. I don't think you're going to get anyone to do that job at flat rate and even if they did they would have to have some old books to even quote the time.
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Re: Flat rate time to change 67 B-Body rear pinion/pumpkin seals
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I don't see why you couldn't attain that torque setting under the car , I've done it , use the ground to support the yoke holder that you use so you can get 2 hands on the torque wrench.
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Re: Flat rate time to change 67 B-Body rear pinion/pumpkin seals
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thinking part of the job here should include verifying where the leak is coming from. Get some brake clean and rags and make it grease free. Leaking just sitting makes me think the chuck to housing seal isn't so good.... but you need to verify that there isn't an oil trail leading from the pinion area. 8.75 at proper level should have no oil sitting at the seal area at rest.
742 also runs shims on the pinion so it's not like you have to worry about the crush sleeve like the 489. Actually when I do pinion seals on those we'd just mark the nut and the end of the pinion and put the nut back to it's original position. I am going to clean it up tonite. Some housing bolts are crusted over with goo. Will lay down paper and trace it.. I am always freaked out when pushing hard on anything with car on jack stands. Just weird claustrophobia, fear of mine of getting trapped under there...
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