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Re: Sad story of poor sportsmanship at a Mopar race
[Re: J_BODY]
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02/01/09 05:45 PM
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FWIW I generally think the "buy back" guys, or "mulligan" racers in this scenario, should have to go into a separate group and race each other, OR be out of the main money race all together and race for a much lesser purse.
In all fairness of the sport, that's the way I'd want it. Let the better (or luckier!!  ) guys go on into the big money and the losers(of the first round) could still enjoy some more racing instead of putting it on the trailer. I hate driving 3 hours one way and 100 bucks of fuel to get 3 passes and head home.
I think everyone involved would be feeling better with it like that.
Don.
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Re: Sad story of poor sportsmanship at a Mopar race
[Re: Monte_Smith]
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02/01/09 05:50 PM
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FWIW I generally think the "buy back" guys, or "mulligan" racers in this scenario, should have to go into a separate group and race each other, OR be out of the main money race all together and race for a much lesser purse.
Thats a good idea for all tracks, buy backs race for their own "buy back purse" .
Why? What difference does it make,
Why? Because a buy back should be a chance for the track to make a little more money, and the racer a chance to get more seat time.
NOT a way to buy back into the competiton after you lose.
You lose, you're out of competition. That's the way sport works.
Everybody knows that 1/2 the cars are back ont he trailer after the first round. That's what drag racing is.
I have run buyback rounds,(as a seperate group) and am fine with that. It's just for fun at that stage.
I have never bought back into competion, and generally feel that to do so is complete BS. 
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Re: Sad story of poor sportsmanship at a Mopar race
[Re: Quicktree]
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02/01/09 05:51 PM
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I have always said if you want a mulligan go play golf  If you want to race when you lose you lose and you are out...We raced the same guy three times at a bracket race last year...I my eyes that is just silly...
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Re: Sad story of poor sportsmanship at a Mopar race
[Re: MoparDonny]
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02/01/09 05:53 PM
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Cheating is cheating as said. I agree, about the buybacks, the local track here need the extra cash. Except, at our tracks, the buyback racers race ONLY buyback racers that are winners, untill way down in the laddar.
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Re: Sad story of poor sportsmanship at a Mopar race
[Re: bigdad]
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02/01/09 06:21 PM
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Sounds to me like your club made several mistakes. No one checking the buy back cards.Some signed some not. Not enough cars to pay out the purse so you had to run around to collect the buy back money. How long ago this happen? Did the so called cheater that did buy a buy back so really was not a cheater but just a good freind that let his buddy use the unsigned card.Did ether win the race or any money? Stop racing stay home Quote Long story short no more Moparama dash for cash for me,us , we You chose to put 1,000.00 in Why? So what do you want us as mopar members do? Find the poor guy that did win the money and take it back because he may of lost to a car that these guys beat? All this is about you want them to feel sorry for what they did.Take this post over to the general and post right before MY CAT DIED. I race all summer at a track with buy backs and never complained[Edited by Moparts - Keep it clean] because it keeps the track open.Your club was not perpared to loose money so you had a meeting and put in buy backs..I would say you put the screws to the racers that came to race for 25 bucks then ether had to anti up 15 more just in caase they lost first round.The ones that didn't might say you were cheating. 
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Re: Sad story of poor sportsmanship at a Mopar race
[Re: Monte_Smith]
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02/01/09 06:40 PM
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FWIW I generally think the "buy back" guys, or "mulligan" racers in this scenario, should have to go into a separate group and race each other, OR be out of the main money race all together and race for a much lesser purse.
Thats a good idea for all tracks, buy backs race for their own "buy back purse" .
Why? What difference does it make, if you have to run a car that bought back or not. You have to go (x) amount of rounds to win a race. Why would it really matter if you ran the same guy every round. Cut a light, run the number, win the race. Every track wants to pay a decent purse and racers want to race for a decent purse, so why begrudge a track for allowing buy backs, to get some extra cash. The first reason you always hear, "they don't put the buyback money in the purse", again, so what. It takes money to keep the gates of that track open, for you to come out and race for that guaranteed money, in front of empty stands. It would be nice if all the racers could be on the track owner or promoters side of things, just one time and see how hard it is to keep a track open and halfway updated and on top of that, provide you with a living, if you don't have a real job.
Monte
The only problem with the above is that 'x' number of rounds can change based on the whims of the losers - whether they choose to buy back or not. If I have to go another round because someone bought back in then it's as if I was racing on a ladder that was that much bigger, and therefore the pot would have been greater to begin with. Going more rounds should equal more money to win - fair and simple. I shouldn't have to beat on my equipment 'x' number of more rounds due to buybacks and have nothing additional, providing I won of course, to show for it. Tires, gas, wear and tear, etc. and all the other things per round add up for the car owner too.
If they want to buy back in let them buy into a losers race.
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Re: Sad story of poor sportsmanship at a Mopar race
[Re: Bob_Coomer]
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02/01/09 06:53 PM
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Cheating is cheating as said. I agree, about the buybacks, the local track here need the extra cash. Except, at our tracks, the buyback racers race ONLY buyback racers that are winners, untill way down in the laddar.
I hate cheater's,,,that said, I am not real fond of buyback's, but understand why they do it,as far as the best way to go about doing buyback's,, see above quote. 
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Re: Sad story of poor sportsmanship at a Mopar race
[Re: dartman366]
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02/01/09 07:32 PM
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Correct me if I am wrong, but all the tracks around here, have a set purse. It pays (x) amount of dollars to win Pro ET. I have seen as many as 200 cars and as few as 40. So really, no matter how many cars are there, if EVERY first round loser bought back, you would only add one round of racing. Hardly a huge wear and tear expense on anybodys equipment. As far as a "buybacks only" race, that would mean the extra cash would go to that purse and as stated before, the track could possibly use that cash to help pay for other things. When I bracket raced, I went to try and win and therefore make money. If buybacks were available and I got beat, I bought back, period. I treated it as a paid test pass, because the actual race generally started well after the last time trial. So I set up for first round on kill and let it eat. Won more than once after buying back. You can't win sitting in the trailer. Personally, I don't care who is in the other lane. Don't care if they bought back or not. I have a better package, I win.
Monte
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Re: Sad story of poor sportsmanship at a Mopar race
[Re: dartman366]
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02/01/09 07:33 PM
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The only time I hate buybacks is when the guy that bought back beats you in the third round. That being said I have bought back at big money races before Maybe they should run them like the local short track guys do like the Hooligan race for the guys that couldn't qualify and the winner goes on to the big race at the rear of the field Gus 
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Re: Sad story of poor sportsmanship at a Mopar race
[Re: bill_greenwood]
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02/01/09 07:36 PM
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I dont mind the buy backs if they race one another till (we will say 4 cars left) and then they fall in with the regular prize money guys, at least that way you arent running the same guys over and over running your equipment into the dirt... JMO 
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Re: Sad story of poor sportsmanship at a Mopar race
[Re: Monte_Smith]
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02/01/09 07:46 PM
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Correct me if I am wrong, but all the tracks around here, have a set purse. It pays (x) amount of dollars to win Pro ET. I have seen as many as 200 cars and as few as 40. So really, no matter how many cars are there, if EVERY first round loser bought back, you would only add one round of racing. Hardly a huge wear and tear expense on anybodys equipment. As far as a "buybacks only" race, that would mean the extra cash would go to that purse and as stated before, the track could possibly use that cash to help pay for other things. When I bracket raced, I went to try and win and therefore make money. If buybacks were available and I got beat, I bought back, period. I treated it as a paid test pass, because the actual race generally started well after the last time trial. So I set up for first round on kill and let it eat. Won more than once after buying back. You can't win sitting in the trailer. Personally, I don't care who is in the other lane. Don't care if they bought back or not. I have a better package, I win.
Monte
I agree !! 100% You go to track to race ..everyone get the chance to buy back ..At our track .the money go to the winner..I do not know of a track with in 100 miles of me that don't do buy back..good thing for the racers and the track..
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Re: Sad story of poor sportsmanship at a Mopar race
[Re: VernMotor]
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02/01/09 07:49 PM
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Correct me if I am wrong, but all the tracks around here, have a set purse. It pays (x) amount of dollars to win Pro ET. I have seen as many as 200 cars and as few as 40. So really, no matter how many cars are there, if EVERY first round loser bought back, you would only add one round of racing. Hardly a huge wear and tear expense on anybodys equipment. As far as a "buybacks only" race, that would mean the extra cash would go to that purse and as stated before, the track could possibly use that cash to help pay for other things. When I bracket raced, I went to try and win and therefore make money. If buybacks were available and I got beat, I bought back, period. I treated it as a paid test pass, because the actual race generally started well after the last time trial. So I set up for first round on kill and let it eat. Won more than once after buying back. You can't win sitting in the trailer. Personally, I don't care who is in the other lane. Don't care if they bought back or not. I have a better package, I win.
Monte
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I agree !! 100% You go to track to race ..everyone get the chance to buy back ..At our track .the money go to the winner..I do not know of a track with in 100 miles of me that don't do buy back..good thing for the racers and the track..
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Re: Sad story of poor sportsmanship at a Mopar race
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02/01/09 08:05 PM
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We raced the same guy three times at a bracket race last year...I my eyes that is just silly...
I don't mind first and second round buybacks. They lost most times both rounds. So to me their "easy prey". EAT EM!
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