Sad story of poor sportsmanship at a Mopar race

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FWIW I generally think the "buy back" guys, or "mulligan" racers in this scenario, should have to go into a separate group and race each other, OR be out of the main money race all together and race for a much lesser purse.

Thats a good idea for all tracks, buy backs race for their own "buy back purse" .

Why? What difference does it make, if you have to run a car that bought back or not. You have to go (x) amount of rounds to win a race. Why would it really matter if you ran the same guy every round. Cut a light, run the number, win the race. Every track wants to pay a decent purse and racers want to race for a decent purse, so why begrudge a track for allowing buy backs, to get some extra cash. The first reason you always hear, "they don't put the buyback money in the purse", again, so what. It takes money to keep the gates of that track open, for you to come out and race for that guaranteed money, in front of empty stands. It would be nice if all the racers could be on the track owner or promoters side of things, just one time and see how hard it is to keep a track open and halfway updated and on top of that, provide you with a living, if you don't have a real job.

Monte

The only problem with the above is that 'x' number of rounds can change based on the whims of the losers - whether they choose to buy back or not. If I have to go another round because someone bought back in then it's as if I was racing on a ladder that was that much bigger, and therefore the pot would have been greater to begin with. Going more rounds should equal more money to win - fair and simple. I shouldn't have to beat on my equipment 'x' number of more rounds due to buybacks and have nothing additional, providing I won of course, to show for it. Tires, gas, wear and tear, etc. and all the other things per round add up for the car owner too.

If they want to buy back in let them buy into a losers race.

Posted By: slantzilla

Re: Sad story of poor sportsmanship at a Mopar race - 02/01/09 10:44 PM

Maybe we need to go back to like the old days. They paid 4 places and you had to race for 3rd and 4th place money. No round money, no buy backs, no mulligans.

Oh yeah, if you both redlit or broke out you both lost too.

Posted By: dartman366

Re: Sad story of poor sportsmanship at a Mopar race - 02/01/09 10:53 PM

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Cheating is cheating as said. I agree, about the buybacks, the local track here need the extra cash. Except, at our tracks, the buyback racers race ONLY buyback racers that are winners, untill way down in the laddar.

I hate cheater's,,,that said, I am not real fond of buyback's, but understand why they do it,as far as the best way to go about doing buyback's,, see above quote.

Posted By: bill_greenwood

Re: Sad story of poor sportsmanship at a Mopar race - 02/01/09 11:20 PM

You know, the buyback thing has a simple solution. Create a "B event" for the first round losers who want to go more rounds. Pay your $10 or $20 up front, and all the first round losers who have paid into the pool get to race for all the cash in that pool. I've never agreed with a buyback that allows you into the second round against the pool of racers who just beat you. If the track is on board, you can even then run an A Vs. B final. That is somewhat like the way a curling bonspiel is run.

Posted By: Monte_Smith

Re: Sad story of poor sportsmanship at a Mopar race - 02/01/09 11:32 PM

Correct me if I am wrong, but all the tracks around here, have a set purse. It pays (x) amount of dollars to win Pro ET. I have seen as many as 200 cars and as few as 40. So really, no matter how many cars are there, if EVERY first round loser bought back, you would only add one round of racing. Hardly a huge wear and tear expense on anybodys equipment. As far as a "buybacks only" race, that would mean the extra cash would go to that purse and as stated before, the track could possibly use that cash to help pay for other things. When I bracket raced, I went to try and win and therefore make money. If buybacks were available and I got beat, I bought back, period. I treated it as a paid test pass, because the actual race generally started well after the last time trial. So I set up for first round on kill and let it eat. Won more than once after buying back. You can't win sitting in the trailer. Personally, I don't care who is in the other lane. Don't care if they bought back or not. I have a better package, I win.

Monte

Posted By: fourgearsavoy

Re: Sad story of poor sportsmanship at a Mopar race - 02/01/09 11:33 PM

The only time I hate buybacks is when the guy that bought back beats you in the third round.
That being said I have bought back at big money races before

Maybe they should run them like the local short track guys do like the Hooligan race for the guys that couldn't qualify and the winner goes on to the big race at the rear of the field

Gus

Posted By: Kyle Reasbeck

Re: Sad story of poor sportsmanship at a Mopar race - 02/01/09 11:33 PM

Here's a good read for everyone...the true math on buybacks:

http://www.competitionplus.com/2006_01/buybacks.html

Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: Sad story of poor sportsmanship at a Mopar race - 02/01/09 11:36 PM

I dont mind the buy backs if they race one another
till (we will say 4 cars left) and then they fall in
with the regular prize money guys, at least that way
you arent running the same guys over and over running
your equipment into the dirt... JMO

Posted By: 69CHARGERMD

Re: Sad story of poor sportsmanship at a Mopar race - 02/01/09 11:45 PM

Kyle,,,that was a good read.........thanks for the post.

Posted By: VernMotor

Re: Sad story of poor sportsmanship at a Mopar race - 02/01/09 11:46 PM

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Correct me if I am wrong, but all the tracks around here, have a set purse. It pays (x) amount of dollars to win Pro ET. I have seen as many as 200 cars and as few as 40. So really, no matter how many cars are there, if EVERY first round loser bought back, you would only add one round of racing. Hardly a huge wear and tear expense on anybodys equipment. As far as a "buybacks only" race, that would mean the extra cash would go to that purse and as stated before, the track could possibly use that cash to help pay for other things. When I bracket raced, I went to try and win and therefore make money. If buybacks were available and I got beat, I bought back, period. I treated it as a paid test pass, because the actual race generally started well after the last time trial. So I set up for first round on kill and let it eat. Won more than once after buying back. You can't win sitting in the trailer. Personally, I don't care who is in the other lane. Don't care if they bought back or not. I have a better package, I win.

Monte

I agree !! 100% You go to track to race ..everyone get the chance to buy back ..At our track .the money go to the winner..I do not know of a track with in 100 miles of me that don't do buy back..good thing for the racers and the track..

Posted By: 540dust

Re: Sad story of poor sportsmanship at a Mopar race - 02/01/09 11:49 PM

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Correct me if I am wrong, but all the tracks around here, have a set purse. It pays (x) amount of dollars to win Pro ET. I have seen as many as 200 cars and as few as 40. So really, no matter how many cars are there, if EVERY first round loser bought back, you would only add one round of racing. Hardly a huge wear and tear expense on anybodys equipment. As far as a "buybacks only" race, that would mean the extra cash would go to that purse and as stated before, the track could possibly use that cash to help pay for other things. When I bracket raced, I went to try and win and therefore make money. If buybacks were available and I got beat, I bought back, period. I treated it as a paid test pass, because the actual race generally started well after the last time trial. So I set up for first round on kill and let it eat. Won more than once after buying back. You can't win sitting in the trailer. Personally, I don't care who is in the other lane. Don't care if they bought back or not. I have a better package, I win.

Monte

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I agree !! 100% You go to track to race ..everyone get the chance to buy back ..At our track .the money go to the winner..I do not know of a track with in 100 miles of me that don't do buy back..good thing for the racers and the track..

Posted By: moparlulu

Re: Sad story of poor sportsmanship at a Mopar race - 02/02/09 12:05 AM

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We raced the same guy three times at a bracket race last year...I my eyes that is just silly...

I don't mind first and second round buybacks. They lost most times both rounds. So to me their "easy prey". EAT EM!

Posted By: camdog440

Re: Sad story of poor sportsmanship at a Mopar race - 02/02/09 12:14 AM

It seems to me that there are some variations in rules from track to track or series to series.
That being said, when you pay your entry you are agreeing to participate by the rules established before the event. EVERYONE would be mad if the track changed the rules in the middle of the race. It sounds to me like these guys didn't follow the rules... but the event coordinators were a bit too trusting also.

Posted By: 5537SG

Re: Sad story of poor sportsmanship at a Mopar race - 02/02/09 12:57 AM

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Kyle,,,that was a good read.........thanks for the post.

that is a great read. Everyone posting on this thread should read and comprehend that.

Posted By: pittsburghracer

Re: Sad story of poor sportsmanship at a Mopar race - 02/02/09 12:57 AM

Nothing better than beating a guy twice in the same night.

Posted By: TMP66

Re: Sad story of poor sportsmanship at a Mopar race - 02/02/09 02:32 AM

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I have always said if you want a mulligan go play golf If you want to race when you lose you lose and you are out...

It's a track revenue thing. If it helps keeps tracks open because of soaring costs and smaller car counts, so be it. I don't like the alternative.

Posted By: dannysbee

Re: Sad story of poor sportsmanship at a Mopar race - 02/02/09 02:42 AM

I don't mind a 1st round buy back, second round all the buy backs run each other. Third round they re-enter competition. That way if there are 50 buy backs only only 25 re-enter competition.

Posted By: Evil Spirit

Re: Sad story of poor sportsmanship at a Mopar race - 02/02/09 06:44 AM

Back to the original post. It sounds like the race was a fundraiser for a local club, with the racer prize money donated, and the entry fees were to go to the club as funds raised for the club. That seems simple enough. The club stated before the race that buybacks (as in LOSER re-entrys) were to be purchased before the first round and weren't transferable. Still seems simple enough to me. So if someone lost in the first round that didn't purchase a re-entry before the race used someone elses ticket to te-enter, that racer is a LOSER and a CHEATER, and the person that gave him the ticket to re-enter is a CHEATER. It doesn't matter what the rules are at any other track, race, or redneck rodeo, in the case of this FUNDRAISING EVENT, the rules were no re-entry tix transferred, and if someone did so, shame on them (the LOSER/CHEATERS). Looks pretty simple when it's spelled out in black and white, doesn't it.

Posted By: Evil Spirit

Re: Sad story of poor sportsmanship at a Mopar race - 02/02/09 06:54 AM

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I don't mind a 1st round buy back, second round all the buy backs run each other. Third round they re-enter competition. That way if there are 50 buy backs only only 25 re-enter competition.

IMO this is letting someone with more money than talent buy a round - the second round. First round losers that want to purchase a losers-buyback should have to race each other to go to the second round. That way everyone that races in the second round had to win one race, and everyone that goes to the third had to win two races.

Posted By: willp

Re: Sad story of poor sportsmanship at a Mopar race - 02/02/09 11:16 AM

Seems to me if I remember correctly there was a really good article written by Jok Nickleson (sp) several years ago about what buy backs do for the track. I can't remember where it was maybe Drag Racing Review? Something to research and find maybe?

Posted By: dannysbee

Re: Sad story of poor sportsmanship at a Mopar race - 02/02/09 01:54 PM

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I don't mind a 1st round buy back, second round the buy backs run each other . . Third round they re-enter competition. That way if there are 50 buy backs only only 25 re-enter competition.

IMO this is letting someone with more money than talent buy a round - the second round. First round losers that want to purchase a losers-buyback should have to race each other to go to the second round. That way everyone that races in the second round had to win one race, and everyone that goes to the third had to win two races.

That is what I said. Second round is just the buyout racers and the winners of the buyback round then re-enter competition. Everyone that races in the third round have won one race.

Not every track does it this way, some have 1st and 2nd round buy backs and put all the buy backs into competition the next round. I think this stinks.

If the rules were clear there is no gray area here and cheating is cheating.

Posted By: 4bbl

Re: Sad story of poor sportsmanship at a Mopar race - 02/02/09 02:26 PM

I hope we can all get over this. I learned as a very green racer years ago at the same track( very different owner then) I and a buddy were in the just into the money rounds and track owner let several loosers buy back in, this was after 5 rounds so you can imagine the car count was good for the track profit anyway. That track has been great for melast few years!
In short, buy backs purchased after the loosing round by the looser, or loosers buy into a 1st, 2nd, or what ever round gambler's race is what I like, and the track net will be higher and the racers get more rounds. But what ever the track or club need to have the rules well understood.

There, I'm going back to work on my car. See ya at the track.

Posted By: G-Money1320

Re: Sad story of poor sportsmanship at a Mopar race - 02/02/09 02:38 PM

Hey Bigdad, dont let this stop you from contributing to a good cause, but rather let this be a lesson to tighten up the ranks next year so this kind of thing wont be ABLE to happen. Every buyback should be filled out or at least a car number put on it when given to the driver AND checked in the staging lanes to make sure buyback matches the car. Its an easy fix and the 2 indivuals who cheated shouldnt be the end to a nice charitable event

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Sad story of poor sportsmanship at a Mopar race - 02/02/09 02:41 PM

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Posted By: wildcargo

Re: Sad story of poor sportsmanship at a Mopar race - 02/02/09 03:26 PM

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Nothing better than beating a guy twice in the same night.

I got the same guy 3 times in 1 night

, I was starting to feel sory for him.

not too sory, chevy

Posted By: RonTheAnnouncer

Re: Sad story of poor sportsmanship at a Mopar race - 02/02/09 03:35 PM

Same here, beat the same guy 3 times in one day. Each time I smacked him worse than the time before. The third time, I could SMELL the fear!

Sad story of poor sportsmanship at a Mopar race