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1970 383 cam suggestions? #210253
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HI,

I'm looking for suggestions for a replacement cam for a 1970 383, manual trans, 3:55 rear, manual brakes.
What I would like is one that will give me decent vacuum,(15 inches or higher}, good low to mid-range performance, and still has that idle quality and sound that is usually associated with a non stock cam. Suggestions? Thanks.

Re: 1970 383 cam suggestions? [Re: 70SportSatellite] #210254
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The one that came in the stock 69-70 383 Roadrunners. Great old cams. Sound good and run pretty good

Re: 1970 383 cam suggestions? [Re: 70SportSatellite] #210255
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Check out one of Hughes engines whiplash cams.Do not know what effect it will have on vacuum though.

Re: 1970 383 cam suggestions? [Re: gch] #210256
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Stay away from the MP 284/484

Re: 1970 383 cam suggestions? [Re: High Impact] #210257
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I had the MP street hemi cam in the 383 in my Dodge W200. nice lope at idle, good all around cam, good power, and cheap as well.


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Re: 1970 383 cam suggestions? [Re: NTOLERANCE] #210258
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I had the MP street hemi cam in the 383 in my Dodge W200. nice lope at idle, good all around cam, good power, and cheap as well.




That's a excellent cam for a 383.I'm still running that cam and even use the stock 585 cfm Holley that came on the car.


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Re: 1970 383 cam suggestions? [Re: Chris2581] #210259
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I had the MP street hemi cam in the 383 in my Dodge W200. nice lope at idle, good all around cam, good power, and cheap as well.




That's a excellent cam for a 383.I'm still running that cam and even use the stock 585 cfm Holley that came on the car.




is that the 280/474 ? right ?


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Re: 1970 383 cam suggestions? [Re: 70SportSatellite] #210260
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A summit 224/234-465/488 cam would work very well w/ your set up. Plus it's cheap. They were on sale for $62 w/ lifters, not sure if it still is or not. They pull tons of vacuum and I've run them in a few 440's 1 in a bone stock 67 GTX went from 14.20 to 13.86 and I ran one in an almost stock 440 67 coronet to 12.90 all day.
So for those people that say they are "chevy" grinds...well they work much better than the tride and true MP "purple" cams for mild applications.

Re: 1970 383 cam suggestions? [Re: gch] #210261
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Check out one of Hughes engines whiplash cams



Thanks, I currently have a Hughes, and not that I'm against them, but after trying a number of things my problems keep pointing to the cam, that's why I'm changing it. Although it runs strong it has a poor idle and I can only get about 13.5 inches of vacuum at idle with 20 degrees initial and manifold vacuum to the advance. Also, it's noisy, I'm told that's not uncommon for a fast lift cam. I want a quiet valvetrain. the spec's on it are
intake exhaust
lobe .326 .349
valve .489 .524
219 degrees 228 degrees

Also, the engine is totally stock including the carb and distributor except for the Pertronix.
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Re: 1970 383 cam suggestions? [Re: NachoRT74] #210262
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I had the MP street hemi cam in the 383 in my Dodge W200. nice lope at idle, good all around cam, good power, and cheap as well.




That's a excellent cam for a 383.I'm still running that cam and even use the stock 585 cfm Holley that came on the car.




is that the 280/474 ? right ?




It's actually the cam Chrysler originally sold....
284° .471I/.474E

The 280/474 is the new spec Hemi grind cam


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Re: 1970 383 cam suggestions? [Re: Chris2581] #210263
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I'm happy with the lunati voodoo cam.the 480 ish lift one.My car performs/ behaves much better than it did with the mp 509 cam.idle is not very lumpy,does have a slight attitude sound though.

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with moretoys i'm using the Vodoo 220/226 @.050 475/494 lift cam idle's like a stock RR cam, lots of vacuum 17.5" at about 850rpm's on my 4-speed power brake car, lots of low to mid range, rev's very fast. happy with it.

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Re: 1970 383 cam suggestions? [Re: ademon] #210265
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Why would you put your vacuum advance to manifold vacuum?

Re: 1970 383 cam suggestions? [Re: Dodgem] #210266
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the Comp 268 or the Crower 267HDP are great 383 replacement cams and will give you the idle characteristics you are looking for. The Hughes you had is just a smidge big for a mild 383 but before tossing it I'd try a set of Crane or Lunait Hi-vac lifters, should knock about 6-8 degrees at .050 and pick up vacuum with no downside...I've run them in 11 second cars so no worries there.

Haven't run the Voodoo but being Harold for Ultradyne developed them that speaks very well for their pedigree. I've been happy with Lunati's before as well.

The MP 455 lift 268/272 Purple shaft is another good one

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Re: 1970 383 cam suggestions? [Re: Dodgem] #210267
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Why would you put your vacuum advance to manifold vacuum?




Here we go! Although there are many who will disagree I'll explain. Please do not turn this post into a manifold v. ported debate though. Please begin a new post if you would like to discuss it further, thank you. I am replacing the cam and am sincerely seeking suggestions.
Anyway, by switching to manifold vacuum the idle quality improved, it burned cleaner, the water temperature lowered, the vacuum increased and it stopped pinging.

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My cam suggestion is in....My retort would be why would anyone run venturi Vacuum? You want advance to come in under load and part throttle, high RPM speed the centrifugal kicks in. Manifold vacuum is where you want it 95% of the time anyway.

I tell people 383's are more like smallbocks, they're easy to overcam if you're not careful Gotta watch the intake closing event especially....go too far and you'll take away what little stroke you have to work with.

also....since it's not too big....you might try advancing it +4 before swapping it out...that'll help your vacuum and low end...just a thought.


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Re: 1970 383 cam suggestions? [Re: Streetwize] #210269
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Id say try the 455 272 Purpleshaft suggested before.


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P4452783....the restro cam, works very good for me, everybody says "old grind", but, its an old car!!, plenty of vacuum for my PDB, great idle and no chugging at the stop signs

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Stay away from the MP 284/484


Man, how I wish someone would have given me that advice a while back.

Re: 1970 383 cam suggestions? [Re: 70SportSatellite] #210272
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Here we go! Although there are many who will disagree
No sence typing out the proper method of getting it to run right with my two fingers then!
Good luck

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