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Kevlar/CF laminating an OEM Alum manual bellhousing, Crazy?
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So the application is a turbo slant six, under 300hp, never will see the drag strip, likely never will get north of 5k RPM. a QT scattershield from Summit is nearly $800. I will likely get a custom SFI rated alum FW/pressure plate set-up. I have an alum OEM bellhousing. CF/Kevlar is not a hassle for me. Anybody think adding say a 1/4"? outside/bonded Kevlar/CF to the complete outside of the OEM housing make any sense? Has to be better then nothing. Lot cheaper then the QT, and then spend the savings on the FW/clutch. Well?
Reality check, that half the population is smarter then 50% of the people and it's a constantly contested fact.
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Re: Kevlar/CF laminating an OEM Alum manual bellhousing, Crazy?
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Sounds like a waste òf time and money to me  I also have to question the aluminium flywheel as well in this application. I would think a steel flywheel with a counterweight pressure plate and iron disc would do the trick. Gus 
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Re: Kevlar/CF laminating an OEM Alum manual bellhousing, Crazy?
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06/05/16 12:07 AM
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You can use a trans blanket,would be less expensive.
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Re: Kevlar/CF laminating an OEM Alum manual bellhousing, Crazy?
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Not sure why you would need more than the AL bell housing? No strip, under 300 HP, under 5000 RPM. I agree, the need is minimal if at all, more likely a little more peace of mind, without spending $800.
Reality check, that half the population is smarter then 50% of the people and it's a constantly contested fact.
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Re: Kevlar/CF laminating an OEM Alum manual bellhousing, Crazy?
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Sounds like a waste òf time and money to me I also have to question the aluminium flywheel as well in this application. I would think a steel flywheel with a counterweight pressure plate and iron disc would do the trick. Gus Not the first time I have heard that before.  Alum flywheel is thinking because its a 76?lb crank, no drar launch needed, and it may see some AutoX, hence my alum thinking.
Reality check, that half the population is smarter then 50% of the people and it's a constantly contested fact.
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Re: Kevlar/CF laminating an OEM Alum manual bellhousing, Crazy?
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You can use a trans blanket,would be less expensive. Interesting, but not sure if I have clearance, easily, and curious how it secures on the most sloped portion of the bellhousing where a flywheel would likely radiate thru, in a failure. Has this been done before? 
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Re: Kevlar/CF laminating an OEM Alum manual bellhousing, Crazy?
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Do it, test it to failure. Get an sfi rating, go into business and become filthy rich by giving them a 2 year from date of manufacture expiration. I need to get even richer, think I can lobby for a shorter 1 year expiration for the sake of "safety"? 
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Re: Kevlar/CF laminating an OEM Alum manual bellhousing, Crazy?
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06/05/16 11:48 AM
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Sounds like you have access to the C/F cheap or free so I would do it... is it needed.. doubt it but sure would be a good test... the hood on my car I built out of C/F.. sure did make it lighter(and no one made anything for that car) 
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Re: Kevlar/CF laminating an OEM Alum manual bellhousing, Crazy?
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06/05/16 11:52 AM
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Unless you use the 3.09:1 box, or a very high (numerical) axle, the light flywheel will require you to drive it like a 2-stroke. Not fun in traffic.
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Re: Kevlar/CF laminating an OEM Alum manual bellhousing, Crazy?
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My supplies are not free unfortunately, but certainly cost effective. Three things I still would like to figure out, what does a steel QT housing weigh, so I can see if I am getting any weight benefits, what temps is the housing likely to see from internal heat vs external exhaust, which I can shield ( need this to make sure I use correct epoxy), and then how am I going to contain and fasten the open bottom?
Reality check, that half the population is smarter then 50% of the people and it's a constantly contested fact.
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Re: Kevlar/CF laminating an OEM Alum manual bellhousing, Crazy?
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Unless you use the 3.09:1 box, or a very high (numerical) axle, the light flywheel will require you to drive it like a 2-stroke. Not fun in traffic. Yes, I am very hesitant on this choice, but I need a custom flywheel, to get the rating, and the torgue rating for a better clutch set-up, car is headed towards 2500lbs, with a short tire 23"?, of course the turbo, but it will have 2.76, and you are correct, very street focused,  I'm thinking.
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Re: Kevlar/CF laminating an OEM Alum manual bellhousing, Crazy?
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I assume you will vac this thing(all the light weight C/F parts have a vac applied to pull out all the extra resin) once the vac is applied the part tends to stay in place
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Re: Kevlar/CF laminating an OEM Alum manual bellhousing, Crazy?
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Take pics as you go. I'd like to see what your up to.
All I can add is if you blow a flywheel up I don't think a little carbon is going to slow it down. Even on the chevy stuff that uses a flywheel shield which is basically 1/8" steel they use the grade 8 bolts to slow it down or hold it in... the shield I looked at looked like it was mild steel.. I could be wrong on that part... but it sure wasnt thick
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Re: Kevlar/CF laminating an OEM Alum manual bellhousing, Crazy?
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Sounds like a waste òf time and money to me I also have to question the aluminium flywheel as well in this application. I would think a steel flywheel with a counterweight pressure plate and iron disc would do the trick. Gus Not the first time I have heard that before. Alum flywheel is thinking because its a 76?lb crank, no drar launch needed, and it may see some AutoX, hence my alum thinking. Well that's the theory of the aluminium wheel recovering faster between gear changes. As soon as the clutch releases the disc from the clutch/flywheel under load it zings back up instantly to your 5000 RPM sweet spot. Gus
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Re: Kevlar/CF laminating an OEM Alum manual bellhousing, Crazy?
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So the application is a turbo slant six, under 300hp, never will see the drag strip, likely never will get north of 5k RPM. a QT scattershield from Summit is nearly $800. I will likely get a custom SFI rated alum FW/pressure plate set-up. I have an alum OEM bellhousing. CF/Kevlar is not a hassle for me. Anybody think adding say a 1/4"? outside/bonded Kevlar/CF to the complete outside of the OEM housing make any sense? Has to be better then nothing. Lot cheaper then the QT, and then spend the savings on the FW/clutch. Well? I like the idea. Containment is the big question. How about 3/8" thick? Sure would help address space / linkage issues that accompany blankets and steel shields.
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Re: Kevlar/CF laminating an OEM Alum manual bellhousing, Crazy?
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Another option would be to get a copy of the adapter plate Mark Goodman used to make and then find a used small block shield. That also allows you to use the 130 tooth flywheel, but puts the starter in the low position.
Lou (Dart 270) on the Slant board has the one I had made. I think he would loan it out so you could copy it.
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