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Re: SS/AH NEWS AND UPDATES 2006 [Re: David Barton] #20756
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Dave, why do some of these cars have the steering wobble when they come down from a wheelstand?
Re: SS/AH NEWS AND UPDATES 2006 [Re: David Barton] #20757
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Julie, give me one example of a car that has had safety issues from the stock suspension. This type of thing is what kills the original S/S class. I would also like to mention that we have a customer that goes 230+ MPH at Bonneville with stock front end parts. I believe its around 5000 pounds too.



Thank You! This is my feeling exactly. Where does it end. How about some struts! Some of the GT cars would be a better fit in comp than Super Stock. Lets not kill the class. Lets try to keep the somewhat stock.
Re: SS/AH NEWS AND UPDATES 2006 [Re: David Barton] #20758
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we have a customer that goes 230+ MPH at Bonneville with stock front end parts



Uuhh...do you think you are doing your customer any favors? Doesn't matter to me, but just because someone is doing it..isn't the best argument

Re: SS/AH NEWS AND UPDATES 2006 [Re: David Barton] #20759
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The only thing I can think of is people have broken steering box's because they cut away most of that area for header clearance.

I could see where it could also be a possible performance advantage.(ex.not having the #2 tube to be so tight to clear the box) and maybe a little easier on maintenance. I have a Hemi A-body and they are tough to work on ..no doubt.

Despite this I prefer the stock suspensions to remain. The class is getting too far away from "stock" as it is...
Re: SS/AH NEWS AND UPDATES 2006 [Re: mk_] #20760
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That's the million dollar question of the day. Everybody seems to have their own answer to that question. I'm sure its a combination of things. Just use your imagination.
Re: SS/AH NEWS AND UPDATES 2006 [Re: Billet426] #20761
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we have a customer that goes 230+ MPH at Bonneville with stock front end parts



Uuhh...do you think you are doing your customer any favors? Doesn't matter to me, but just because someone is doing it..isn't the best argument



True, I'll go along with that. But 230 MPH sure is a long way from 155 MPH, wouldn't you agree?
Re: SS/AH NEWS AND UPDATES 2006 [Re: mk_] #20762
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Dave, why do some of these cars have the steering wobble when they come down from a wheelstand?



I had a issue with this very problem in a SS/AM 67 Barracuda. I had to mess with the bump steer for some time but I finally got rid of the wobbles.

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Re: SS/AH NEWS AND UPDATES 2006 [Re: HemiDart68] #20763
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Its just taking the stock out of super stock. Couple more years they will be Jerry Haas pro stock cars with cuda and dart skin.



Darn near that now - I guess it is easier (cheaper) tech wise to loosen up all the rules - Us old far-s remember the olden days - horse and buggy racing

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modified front suspension would be safer no if's and's or but's

maybe a rack on the front
considering the 4link rear i say why the hell not

Dave what was the reasoning for the allowed tire and replacement of leaf springs when they allowed the ladder bar or 4link with coilovers?

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modified front suspension would be safer no if's and's or but's

maybe a rack on the front
considering the 4link rear i say why the hell not

Dave what was the reasoning for the allowed tire and replacement of leaf springs when they allowed the ladder bar or 4link with coilovers?

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I never said it wouldn't be safer. I'm just saying its not really an issue now. So why use that for an excuse to tell NHRA. That's what makes this class so cool. All of the limitations. I understand the cars already have many modifications but now would be a good time to stop with the rule changing. Except for hood scoops. Now thats a whole other subject. They really should give a ruling saying exactly what size the scoop should be. I don't care what size they were originally or who has one in their basement, just give me a measurement already. Otherwise I'll make mine 12" wide and 3" tall. Let's see if that will pass. Yeah, right.

And to answer your question. I really don't know for sure. Maybe it was a safety issue

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Re: SS/AH NEWS AND UPDATES 2006 [Re: mk_] #20766
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Dave, why do some of these cars have the steering wobble when they come down from a wheelstand?



When the front end is compressed all the down look what happens to your wheel alignment. My Hemi Dart street car used to even do it if i was going fast and stood on the brakes hard and loaded down the front end. As soon as the torsion bars pick the car up to ride height the wobble goes away. Im not a suspension expert, so i don't know if a fabricated front suspension can correct that. I just think the direction the class is taking may not be for the better. super stock used to be cool to watch with real cars doing big wheel stands with alot of factory type parts. I don't want to see it turn into a class where the cars sit two inchs off the ground, and they leave with the front tires 3 inchs off the ground like a pro stocker.

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Re: SS/AH NEWS AND UPDATES 2006 [Re: HemiDart68] #20767
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Well, this is a first...Bob Kobylski & I actually agree on something.

Dave, I agree it's not been a safety issue...yet. But, why take the chance? I've watched bobbling on our cars and others on more than one occasion. One of these days something is going to break.

No, the cars aren't what they were in the 60's. Neither is the power that is being produced. The times they are running now far exceed what the cars were originally built for. I say why wait for something to happen? Be proactive.

Re: SS/AH NEWS AND UPDATES 2006 [Re: JulieJordan] #20768
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SS/AH cars at Division points meet this weekend. 8-26-2006

Div 1 race-SS/AH-Steve Baughman 68 Cuda-9.191

Div 1 race-SS/AH-John Baughman 68 Dart-10.27

Div 1 race-SS/AH-Bucky Hess 68 Cuda-9.067

Div 3 race-SS/AH-Geoff Turk 68 Cuda-9.118

Div 5 race-no SS/AH cars

Div 7 race-SS/AH-Dave Raybourn 68 Cuda-8.975


I would think looking at the e.ts,its just give me my grade point and I am out of here.


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Congrats to Mark Howes for his Class win.
Runner up- Wendall Howes
Joe Teuton lost in first round.

Guys load up and head to INDY.

Re: SS/AH NEWS AND UPDATES 2006 [Re: JulieJordan] #20769
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If you compare the mass and strength of the OEM front suspension parts to the front end parts used on a typical tube chassis car running much higher speeds, I don't think the strength of the parts is an issue. As long as the chassis or front end person does the modifications to the stock parts to correct the geometry and alignment settings, I believe the OE front suspension is up to the task. I also believe "evolution" of class cars is inevitable, but I think we need to prevent the class from becoming '68 Cuda and Dart Pro Stockers.

If the results don't match the theory, change the theory.
Re: SS/AH NEWS AND UPDATES 2006 [Re: CMcAllister] #20770
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If you compare the mass and strength of the OEM front suspension parts to the front end parts used on a typical tube chassis car running much higher speeds, I don't think the strength of the parts is an issue. As long as the chassis or front end person does the modifications to the stock parts to correct the geometry and alignment settings, I believe the OE front suspension is up to the task. I also believe "evolution" of class cars is inevitable, but I think we need to prevent the class from becoming '68 Cuda and Dart Pro Stockers.





These cars were not designed in the 60's to be slammed to the ground going 8 1/2 seconds. Geometry is a big issue! As the racers push for more speed there will always be a need for change.

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Re: SS/AH NEWS AND UPDATES 2006 [Re: 64ssmax] #20771
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I heard tonight that mike omalley "mr nobody racer" passed away sunday. He had a heart attack while golfing. He will be missed by many. He had an obsession with hemi cars that couldnt be matched.

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Re: SS/AH NEWS AND UPDATES 2006 [Re: warfish] #20772
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Is this true??




Rest in peace

Re: SS/AH NEWS AND UPDATES 2006 [Re: SB412DUSTER] #20773
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I don't think anyone would joke about this. Mike emailed me off group Sunday, 8/27 at 12:37 pm. He asked if I was going to Indy. I responded, and have not heard back from him. This is terrible. I never met Mike but we corresponded often about these great cars. He loved this class and what these cars represented.

R.I.P. Mike

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Is it true about Mike ??
Re: SS/AH NEWS AND UPDATES 2006 [Re: Troublemaker427] #20775
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I don't think anyone would joke about this


It had better not be..
RIP

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