Re: lifter oiling concerns with 440-1 and Jesels
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04/04/16 06:45 PM
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Are you trying to pushrod oil the rockers?
You may find that on the base circle the oil holes in the lifters for the pushrods are exposed to the oil gallery, and if that's your situation, it will flood the top end.
68 Satellite, 383 with stock 906’s, 3550lbs, 11.18@123 Dealer for Comp Cams/Indy Heads
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Re: lifter oiling concerns with 440-1 and Jesels
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04/04/16 09:21 PM
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For a cheap set of pushrod oiling lifters I use the Comp AMC lifter (848 or now 861). Those work in a stock block up to about .460 lobe lift. For a more expensive lifter I would use the Crane pushrod oiling lifter. It works up to roughly the same .460 lobe lift. Maybe a little more, depends on the block casting I suppose.
I've never used the 892 lifter so I don't know if it works in a stock Mopar block or not. I do know from 30 years of experience that not all aftermarket parts work in all applications!
I learned the hard way that Crower pushrod oiling lifters didn't work in a stock block even though the sales guy swore that they would work. And the same guy said they couldn't take them back once they been installed in the engine.
IMM had pushrod oiling lifters that worked in stock blocks that also had offset seats. Not sure if those are still available or not. Best Machine also had a source for those lifters.
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Re: lifter oiling concerns with 440-1 and Jesels
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04/04/16 11:10 PM
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Sounds like bushing the block might be the easiest and cheapest way in the long run... if you are paying $800 thats way more than around here.. I just had a block done a year ago... $500
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Re: lifter oiling concerns with 440-1 and Jesels
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04/04/16 11:26 PM
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It looks like I'd be right on the edge since I'm at .460 lobe lift on the intake side. For those that have put -1s on a low deck, how ugly is the pushrod angle with a centered pushrod cup? You should probably mock it up before you make a decision. I used the offset lifters from IMM for one low deck build and they seemed to help a little bit but it is also another complication that you have keep track of. This is a constant area of frustration for Mopar guys. I built myself a little tool a few years ago that shows me the relationship of the oil gallery to the holes in the lifter. I use this tool to double check if the lifters are going to work or not. I'm sure other engine builders have similar tools.
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Re: lifter oiling concerns with 440-1 and Jesels
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It looks like I'd be right on the edge since I'm at .460 lobe lift on the intake side. For those that have put -1s on a low deck, how ugly is the pushrod angle with a centered pushrod cup? You should probably mock it up before you make a decision. I used the offset lifters from IMM for one low deck build and they seemed to help a little bit but it is also another complication that you have keep track of. This is a constant area of frustration for Mopar guys. I built myself a little tool a few years ago that shows me the relationship of the oil gallery to the holes in the lifter. I use this tool to double check if the lifters are going to work or not. I'm sure other engine builders have similar tools. Now that's a great looking idea Andy ! With the stock blocks, it sure beats the heck out of all that finagling / measuring ! Alas, I keep finding variances in where the damn Oil gallery intersects the Lifter Bores, sometimes even on the same bank as they drilled from either end to meet in the middle ?
Better to be a "has been" than a "never was".
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Re: lifter oiling concerns with 440-1 and Jesels
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That tool does an excellent job of illustrating how you end up with the problem of over oiling the top end when the pushrod feed holes are perpendicular to the axle. It's a direct shot from the oil gallery.
68 Satellite, 383 with stock 906’s, 3550lbs, 11.18@123 Dealer for Comp Cams/Indy Heads
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