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NEW SS/AH RECORD SET TODAY 03-31-2006 AT ATCO
JIM PANCAKE SET THE RECORD AT 8.55E.T-155.87MPH
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Re: 68CUDA&DARTS PICS, NEWS AND UPDATES
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Nice MPH!!!
Thats is a great MPH for this class,Before this year is over with at this rate it will be 160Mph with e.t at 8.40 flat. 
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Re: 68CUDA&DARTS PICS, NEWS AND UPDATES
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I know this is sorta *off topic* and I hail from the enemy camp, but being a S/S junkie I've been following this thread from the beginning and noticed a couple folks wondering exactly *how* the 'Vettes got into SS/A or what *politics* were involved...I realize that for '06 the NHRA is allowing folks to play class musical chairs of sorts (which I'm not sure I like or not, yet), but while there aren't a lot of them campaigned there were some SS/A Chevrolet combos originally.
Anyway, for those of you brave souls still with me, here's Chevy's SS/A offerings (that is from '70 on when A was 6.00-6.49), and I pulled the "back then" info from my vintage NHRA class guide:
Back Then:
'67 L71/L89 (427/435hp, 3x2 carbs, al. heads) = 6.21 @ 495hp
'67 L88 (427/430hp, 1x4 carb, al. heads) = 6.33 @ 480hp
'68 L71/L89 (427/435hp, 3x2 carbs, al. heads) = 6.32 @ 495hp
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'67 L71/L89 (427/435hp, 3x2 carbs, al. heads) = 6.41 @ 495hp
'68 L71/L89 (427/435hp, 3x2 carbs, al. heads) = 6.32 @ 495hp
Somewhere along the way they lost the L88 combo? Also, I hate to detract from this great thread, but I would like to hear if any of the above combos are running out there? THANKS!
Rob Clary
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Re: 68CUDA&DARTS PICS, NEWS AND UPDATES
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wow....he's gonna be tough to beat this year. Great guy, glad to see he has the record.
Im just waiting to see what Wescott has.
Yup, an Ohio boy with the record
8.55 geez
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Re: 68CUDA&DARTS PICS, NEWS AND UPDATES
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I know this is sorta *off topic* and I hail from the enemy camp, but being a S/S junkie I've been following this thread from the beginning and noticed a couple folks wondering exactly *how* the 'Vettes got into SS/A or what *politics* were involved...I realize that for '06 the NHRA is allowing folks to play class musical chairs of sorts (which I'm not sure I like or not, yet), but while there aren't a lot of them campaigned there were some SS/A Chevrolet combos originally.
Anyway, for those of you brave souls still with me, here's Chevy's SS/A offerings (that is from '70 on when A was 6.00-6.49), and I pulled the "back then" info from my vintage NHRA class guide:
Back Then:
'67 L71/L89 (427/435hp, 3x2 carbs, al. heads) = 6.21 @ 495hp
'67 L88 (427/430hp, 1x4 carb, al. heads) = 6.33 @ 480hp
'68 L71/L89 (427/435hp, 3x2 carbs, al. heads) = 6.32 @ 495hp
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'67 L71/L89 (427/435hp, 3x2 carbs, al. heads) = 6.41 @ 495hp
'68 L71/L89 (427/435hp, 3x2 carbs, al. heads) = 6.32 @ 495hp
Somewhere along the way they lost the L88 combo? Also, I hate to detract from this great thread, but I would like to hear if any of the above combos are running out there? THANKS!
Yes, there WAS a 67 L88 vette owned by Scott Wilcox that ran SS/A back in the late 80's/early 90's. The car was very successful and never outrun by any hemi's back then, but after some sniveling by those seeing too much of the vette's back bumper NHRA decided that there were not enough of those cars built to be legal, even though that car had already been running for several years.
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Re: 68CUDA&DARTS PICS, NEWS AND UPDATES
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Thanks for the info, Rick! While the L88 always got the rep as being the Corvette bad boy (except for the ZL1), I've always felt that while the 435hp engine while lacking a bit on cam lift (~.040"), made up for it on the induction side with the 3x2 carbs...and NHRA must agree to some point, to hang it with a 495 rating? But then again, what do I know!  On the subject of SS/AH cars, around 2 years ago a local feller here brought me a couple of polaroids of an original '68 Hemi 'Cuda in a guy's garage...I'd heard of the car for years (story was guy was a logger/sawmiller, bought the car originally, had it ever since, was known to be involved in shady deals) but never knew if it was real unti the guy showed up with pictures...I checked 'em out, got some info on the car (VIN was a good one), and was trying to figure out how to scrape up the 50-large + finders fee for it...but I drug my feet, I saw the thing on Ebay but don't think it got over like $30k and didn't meet reserve...the car was in western Kentucky...was wearing a red/white/blue paint scheme...anyone know if someone snatched it up, or do I need to take a drive?
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Re: 68CUDA&DARTS PICS, NEWS AND UPDATES
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Hi Rob, welcome to this thread,I know that some of the SS/AH guys want to race with the vettes,last year they had a race with a shootout and I think only two of the SS/ah guys would race in that shootout,But the warfish won and he did run with the vettes,I also am suprise more people are not builting cars for the SS/AA class,with them going 8.65 and pancake going 8.55 this would be great heads up racing. I am a mopar lover,but I also think they should race all comers.
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Re: 68CUDA&DARTS PICS, NEWS AND UPDATES
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I am a mopar lover,but I also think they should race all comers.
I totally agree with this! Don't get me wrong, the SS/AH cars are rediculously cool, but I don't see anything wrong with variety? But don't go making up combos just so cars can run though, either.
And, I was digging through my old class guide the other day, and I see NHRA doesn't show these combos any more, but just how SICK would a 427 Cobra be in S/S? I mean, the friggin' SMALL BLOCK carried like a 5.7x factor, and the 427 had rediculous a 3.5 or something factor! (I'll try and look up the actual factors in the morning) Talk about a handful...
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Re: 68CUDA&DARTS PICS, NEWS AND UPDATES
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I am a mopar lover,but I also think they should race all comers.
I totally agree with this! Don't get me wrong, the SS/AH cars are rediculously cool, but I don't see anything wrong with variety? But don't go making up combos just so cars can run though, either.
And, I was digging through my old class guide the other day, and I see NHRA doesn't show these combos any more, but just how SICK would a 427 Cobra be in S/S? I mean, the friggin' SMALL BLOCK carried like a 5.7x factor, and the 427 had rediculous a 3.5 or something factor! (I'll try and look up the actual factors in the morning) Talk about a handful...
The cobras ARE legal, and ARE listed in the NHRA class guide the last time I looked.  , but who in their right mind is going to hack up one of those.  but most of the SS/A cars are clones anyway, hmmmmmmmm 
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Re: 68CUDA&DARTS PICS, NEWS AND UPDATES
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03/31/06 11:41 PM
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Ahhh...so they are! I had in my head the Shelby had their own section, but now it looks like they're lumped in with the Fords...but who has enough coin to build one!
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Re: 68CUDA&DARTS PICS, NEWS AND UPDATES
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Ahhh...so they are! I had in my head the Shelby had their own section, but now it looks like they're lumped in with the Fords...but who has enough coin to build one!
Rob,Pancake car is a real factory car,so the same guys that put money in Hemis,Have the money like john armstrong and dave thomas vettes ,fords roush is now back into drag racing with his kids,and of course Billy G.and I am sure someone is thinking about this.
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Re: 68CUDA&DARTS PICS, NEWS AND UPDATES
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wow....he's gonna be tough to beat this year. Great guy, glad to see he has the record.
Im just waiting to see what Wescott has.
Yup, an Ohio boy with the record
8.55 geez
Casey
the 155.87mph is a record that will be around for awhile.
Bella rose shootout is going to be a fast race.I just hope more cars show up than they have so far.This may make alot them stay home until indy.
OHIO VS THE WORLD NOW.
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Re: 68CUDA&DARTS PICS, NEWS AND UPDATES
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I wondered what was up when my buddy said some Vette's were racing the SS/AA cars at Maplegrove in PA last year ? And he said Wescott won. And I had to work that weekend.  8.55 @ 155 is awesome. Let the SS/AH war begin as I love the SS cars. Ron
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I wondered what was up when my buddy said some Vette's were racing the SS/AA cars at Maplegrove in PA last year ? And he said Wescott won. And I had to work that weekend. 8.55 @ 155 is awesome. Let the SS/AH war begin as I love the SS cars. Ron
Yep that was the race pc richards shootout. and I agree let SS/AH war begin.
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Re: 68CUDA&DARTS PICS, NEWS AND UPDATES
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This is a list of the times of SS/AH cars as of 04-01-2006
1.Jim Pancake-----8.55 ET @155.87---new record
2.Jeggie Coughlin-8.59 West Coast Hemis Car
3.Jerry Jenkins---8.61 West Coast Hemis Car
4.Mark Vieira-----8.69 Holton Power
5.Dave Barton---8.710 New Car Brooks
6.Joey Wilkes---8.712
7.Fred Henson---8.729
8.Bob Mazzolini-8.76
9.Bob Wolkwitz--8.800
10.Bill Brooks---8.820 New Car with Bill Driving
11.John Rains----8.821
12.Darrell Marvell-8.851
13.Matt Hensley--8.875
14.John Gifford--8.881
15.Randy Hopkins-8.930
16.Joe Faherty--9.009
17.Joe Teuton---9.089
18.Al Smyth-----9.655
So far only 18 cars have made runs this year.All runs are the best for them so far this year.
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Re: 68CUDA&DARTS PICS, NEWS AND UPDATES
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This is from page 6 of this site ok, here is the final ET stats for SS/AA in NHRA for 2005
SS/AA … ET … … CAR # … DRIVER … HOME TOWN … YR-MODEL … RD EVENT
1 … 8.561 … -1.339 … 7503 … Harry Holton … Modesto CA … 68 Barracuda … "Q" D6R1 MISSION
2 … 8.618 … -1.182 … 3651 … Charlie Westcott Jr … Parma MI … 68 Barracuda … "Q" D1 DUTCH CLASSIC
3 … 8.635 … -1.265 … 736 … Michael Ogburn … Mission Viejo CA … 68 Barracuda … RD 1 CAJUN SPORTS
4 … 8.642 … -1.258 … 1798 … Bucky Hess … Bunker Hill WV … 68 Barracuda … "Q" D1 READING N/O
5 … 8.645 … -1.255 … 1954 … Bob Wolkwitz … Darien CT … 68 Dart … "Q" D1 READING N/O
6 … 8.648 … -1.252 … 721 … Rick Houser … Pasadena CA … 68 Barracuda … RD 1 CAJUN SPORTS
7 … 8.661 … -1.139 … 4222 … Fred Henson … Madisonville TX … 68 Dart … RD 1 FALL NATS
8 … 8.665 … -1.235 … 350 … Jim Pancake … Delaware OH … 68 Barracuda … "Q" CAJUN SPORTS
9 … 8.666 … -1.234 … 72 … Steve Wann … Modesto CA … 68 Barracuda … "Q" WINTER NATS
10 … 8.678 … -1.222 … 7301 … Jerry Jenkins … Modesto CA … 68 Barracuda … "Q" D6R1 MISSION
11 … 8.679 … -1.221 … 1990 … David Barton … Robesonia PA … 68 Dart … RD 1 CAJUN SPORTS
12 … 8.682 … -1.118 … 372 … Jeg Coughlin Jr. … Delaware OH … 68 Barracuda … "Q" US NATS
13 … 8.74 … -1.06 … 3122 … Joey Wilkes … Zanesville OH … 68 Barracuda … RD 1 US NATS
14 … 8.788 … -1.012 … 4426 … Joe Teuton Jr. … Houma LA … 68 Dart … "Q" FALL NATS
15 … 8.797 … -1.003 … 3516 … Darrell Marvel … Big Rapids MI … 68 Barracuda … RD 1 US NATS
16 … 8.798 … -1.102 … 1821 … Michael Barton … Wernersville PA … 68 Barracuda … RD 1 D1 M-D N/O
17 … 8.805 … -0.995 … 6766 … Bob Mazzolini … Riverside CA … 68 Barracuda … "Q" AAA FINALS
18 … 8.812 … -1.088 … 5333 … Randy Hopkins … Cable WI … 68 Dart … "Q" D2R2 GAINESVILLE
19 … 8.817 … -1.083 … 7005 … Mark Vieira … Turlock CA … 68 Barracuda … "Q" D6R1 MISSION
20 … 8.825 … -1.075 … 799J … John Rains … Santa Paula CA … 68 Dart … RD 1 WINTER NATS
21 … 8.831 … -0.969 … 4408 … Jerry Caro … Houma LA … 68 Dart … "Q" D4R7 ENNIS
22 … 8.846 … -1.054 … 311 … Eddie Smith … Sandyville WV … 68 Barracuda … "Q" CAJUN SPORTS
23 … 8.855 … -1.045 … 138 … Wendell Howes … St John NB … 68 Barracuda … "Q" D1 READING N/O
24 … 8.875 … -1.025 … 2916 … Johnny Kelley … Walhalla SC … 68 Barracuda … "Q" GATOR NATS
25 … 8.895 … -0.905 … 1152 … Steve Baughman … York PA … 68 Barracuda … "Q" D1R4 MG
26 … 8.902 … -0.998 … 6027 … Mike Booker … Davenport WA … 68 Barracuda … "Q" D6R1 MISSION
27 … 8.905 … -0.995 … 720 … Dave Raybourn … Modesto CA … 68 Barracuda … "Q" C/S/K NATS
28 … 8.911 … -0.889 … 312 … Michael Smith … Sandyville WV … 68 Barracuda … RD 1 US NATS
29 … 8.934 … -0.966 … 1979 … John Baughman … York PA … 68 Dart … RD 1 D1R1 READING
30 … 8.935 … -0.865 … 5651 … Rick Johnson … Wayzata MN … 68 Barracuda … RD 1 US NATS
31 … 8.954 … -0.846 … 1045 … Bill Collett … Grafton WV … 68 Barracuda … RD 3 D1 DUTCH CLASSIC
32 … 8.997 … -0.803 … 337 … Dean Mink … Cincinati OH … 68 Barracuda … RD 1 US NATS
33 … 9.001 … -0.899 … 3410 … Randy Warford … Nashville IN … 68 Barracuda … "Q" D3 ST LOUIS N/O
34 … 9.022 … -1.018 … 6413 … Jon Percy … Blackfoot ID … 64 Savoy … RD 1 D7R7 VEGAS
35 … 9.101 … -0.699 … 4406 … Jim Hale … Van Buren AR … 68 Barracuda … "Q" FALL NATS
36 … 9.111 … -0.789 … 303 … Gary Jacob … Shelby Twp MI … 68 Dart … "Q" D3R1 INDY
37 … 9.157 … -0.643 … 205 … John Gillford … Naples FL … 68 Barracuda … "Q" US NATS
38 … 9.252 … -0.648 … 4453 … Jim Lewis … Van Buren AR … 68 Barracuda … "Q" CAJUN SPORTS
39 … 9.442 … -0.458 … 304 … Jim Keyes … Durand MI … 65 Coronet … "Q" D3R2 STANTON
40 … 9.514 … -0.286 … 3480 … Jay Thorne … Winscow IN … 68 Barracuda … RD 1 D3 INDY N/O
41 … 9.544 … -0.256 … 1968 … Chuck Comella … Lyons NY … 68 Dart … "Q" US NATS
42 … 9.871 … -0.029 … 399 … Jerry Epperson … Barbourville KY … 64 Savoy … "Q" D2R6 BRISTOL
This is the final stats for 2005 hope this helps guys.
I have to post this again because its early in the season and the other post by Craig seems to think that history was made in atco by Jim pancake,Jim did make a very good run at Atco and set the record for the class,and my hat is off to him and his team,But last year stats with Harry Holton record at 8.56 would just say thats the best run so far this year.
So History NO Great Run Yes
and he has never made a run at 159mph as reported in Craig posts.
Julie, thanks for posting your reply on that thread,just makes me wonder why he didn't post here.
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I think Pancake has more in it....8.40's possibly  . But once again its early and i no of one big hitter that is not out yet. Cajun sports and the Sports at NTR will be sweet. Not to mention Indy. Let the battle begin Casey
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Do you know what motor Fred was running this weekend in Houston?
Hi Julie, Fred had Charlie engine in the car,he was the only one that show up for SS/AH. No sense in beating the car up for a single.He also found out his issue with the car.and is fixing it,had to do with the crank trigger kept changing the timming.
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