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Gen 2 Hemi in A-body?
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01/26/16 05:15 PM
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cudadoug
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Couple of questions about a 426 heee-my in an A-body, if anyone has experience:
1) Offset master cylinder: Will the driver's side valve cover clear with just the offset MC bracket or does one need the flexible brake lines to facilitate removal so the VC can be removed?
2) Pass side shock tower modification: Cut and sectioned, or a 20# sledge hammer ala the factory. Is that for VC removal or complete head removal ability?
3) Where is your alternator when using a motor plate or "Elephant Ears"?
Thanks in advance!
Last edited by cudadoug; 01/26/16 05:44 PM.
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Re: Gen 2 Hemi in A-body?
[Re: cudadoug]
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01/26/16 07:38 PM
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Skypower
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First plan on lots of $#%#@$ing then when its all done a huge smile.
1) Depends on the valve cover you use but pretty much you need to put flex lines on the top to allow removal of master cylinder, mine has hard lines and I can wiggle my valve cover off but just barley and I have stock style chrome covers. My engine sits offset to tti's specks since I used their headers. Motor sits offset to passenger side, back and down. I also used motor mounts instead of motor plate much cleaner look and no plate to work around up front.
2) I would cut and section the shock tower makes things much easier and again depends on valve cover but again I can get mine off no problem and I did cut mine rather than beat it in with a hammer. It is for valve cover removal only although I have never tried to pull the head while in the car.
3) Most people mount to the top passenger side for alternator with motor plate. Mine is in the stock location to passenger side since it is in with motor mounts. If you pm me I can email you some pics and give some more advice as I don't know how to post pics hear my build thread is on A bodies, Hemi Cuda Just For fun.
Have fun and lots of patience.
Bob
Last edited by Skypower; 01/26/16 07:44 PM.
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Re: Gen 2 Hemi in A-body?
[Re: Skypower]
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01/26/16 08:58 PM
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cudadoug
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First plan on lots of $#%#@$ing then when its all done a huge smile.
1) Depends on the valve cover you use but pretty much you need to put flex lines on the top to allow removal of master cylinder, mine has hard lines and I can wiggle my valve cover off but just barley and I have stock style chrome covers. My engine sits offset to tti's specks since I used their headers. Motor sits offset to passenger side, back and down. I also used motor mounts instead of motor plate much cleaner look and no plate to work around up front.
2) I would cut and section the shock tower makes things much easier and again depends on valve cover but again I can get mine off no problem and I did cut mine rather than beat it in with a hammer. It is for valve cover removal only although I have never tried to pull the head while in the car.
3) Most people mount to the top passenger side for alternator with motor plate. Mine is in the stock location to passenger side since it is in with motor mounts. If you pm me I can email you some pics and give some more advice as I don't know how to post pics hear my build thread is on A bodies, Hemi Cuda Just For fun.
Have fun and lots of patience.
Bob
Well first, IF I want to try this I plan on many @(@*&^%@$@ words! Your A-body thread sure is making me double check my sanity, but I'll have a 'flite vs. a stick for one thing. My biggest concern is the headers. Race headers are out and TTI's seem pretty finicky. Since this wouldn't be a "race" car I am tempted to have a set of "shorty" headers fabbed up, mimicking the stock hemi exhaust manifolds. Kind of surprised no one does that already. I appreciate the response, Bob!
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Re: Gen 2 Hemi in A-body?
[Re: cudadoug]
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01/26/16 09:57 PM
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Benton, IL.
DaveRS23
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Couple of questions about a 426 heee-my in an A-body, if anyone has experience:
1) Offset master cylinder: Will the driver's side valve cover clear with just the offset MC bracket or does one need the flexible brake lines to facilitate removal so the VC can be removed?
I would use flexible lines. You didn't say whether you had a solid or hydraulic cam. With a solid, it is a no-brainer. But the flex lines make any necessary under-valve cover maintenance a lot easier.
2) Pass side shock tower modification: Cut and sectioned, or a 20# sledge hammer ala the factory. Is that for VC removal or complete head removal ability?
What do you want it to look like? Certainly, cut and trim looks better than bashing the thing in, if there is even enough room to just bash it. We had to move the top shock mount over nearly an inch in our Dart. It is best to test fit the engine and see what HAS to happen to get the monster in there.
3) Where is your alternator when using a motor plate or "Elephant Ears"?
Thanks in advance!
Master, again and still
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Re: Gen 2 Hemi in A-body?
[Re: Dragula]
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01/27/16 12:42 PM
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Mine is more street , made as a tribute car and I did fab work all my life, but still did the xx$#+¥x. Had to massage more parts then I care to list as most stuff isn't available. It's a really fun car to drive and I put about 1500 miles a year on it, but most people don't appreciate the car as they don't know what it represents and I've been asked many many times if it's a real lo23 or not. Good luck on your project!
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Re: Gen 2 Hemi in A-body?
[Re: cudadoug]
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01/27/16 02:12 PM
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I'm in the process of a hemi swapped into a 71 dart,moved the master cylinder inside,i have no inner fenders and shock towers are moved as I'm using coil overs and have a aftermarket frontend,i brought hooker headers 5481,but on mock up with the hooker headers on the engine,#1 tube on the left side runs right with the block,so I'm having a problem with that,as it wont let me use external oil lines to the pan,not unless I reroute the tube,really don't want to go with a deep pan,also with the hookers after measuring they will set real low,i would go with tti,but will ask them if you can do external oil lines
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Re: Gen 2 Hemi in A-body?
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01/27/16 10:50 PM
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Are you guys able to keep the heater motor? And what oil pan clears the steering arm? On my 68 Dart, the heater blower motor had to go and I just used the Hemi/6bbl pan. Works fine with the Accusump. 
Master, again and still
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Re: Gen 2 Hemi in A-body?
[Re: maxie]
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01/28/16 11:03 AM
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Here is an original engine bay after being hacked-up several times over the years... 
Last edited by Rhinodart; 01/28/16 11:07 AM.
The funny thing about science is that if you change one miniscule parameter you change the entire outcome to the way you want it.
JB Rhinehart, Realist
A-Body's RULE!
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Re: Gen 2 Hemi in A-body?
[Re: Rhinodart]
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01/28/16 11:07 AM
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Anudder...
Last edited by Rhinodart; 01/28/16 11:08 AM.
The funny thing about science is that if you change one miniscule parameter you change the entire outcome to the way you want it.
JB Rhinehart, Realist
A-Body's RULE!
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Re: Gen 2 Hemi in A-body?
[Re: Hot 340]
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01/30/16 10:39 PM
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So why doesnt Schumacher make abody k frame to hemi mounts? Is that undoable? Do you mean a mount kit? SS and AFX has that.
Master, again and still
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Re: Gen 2 Hemi in A-body?
[Re: DaveRS23]
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01/30/16 11:56 PM
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So why doesnt Schumacher make abody k frame to hemi mounts? Is that undoable? Do you mean a mount kit? SS and AFX has that. Yes, motor mounts. Im willing to use a plate, but mounts would be nice. Do you have a link?
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