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Solid roller lifters for big block... #1996492
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..which ones you guys running, I have been looking them over and like the bushing style as opposed to the needle bearing's,has anyone had any luck with Howards or MRL brands??


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Re: Solid roller lifters for big block... [Re: dartman366] #1996520
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I was going to buy MRL myself until my racing buddy had a major failure with them. The roller fell off & destroyed a lobe on his cam. I'm using comp cams offset on both of my motors. Never had a failure that was related to the rollers.

Re: Solid roller lifters for big block... [Re: rebel] #1996530
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I'm using comps with about 3-4 years now no problems yet

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Re: Solid roller lifters for big block... [Re: dartman366] #1996533
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Cranes. For the life of me I can't understand why the one's with bushings cost more than the rollers.

Re: Solid roller lifters for big block... [Re: dartman366] #1996615
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Isky Red zones. No problems so far.

Re: Solid roller lifters for big block... [Re: blowndart] #1996622
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Originally Posted By blowndart
Isky Red zones. No problems so far.


One of the best right there and had em installed and ran em but low oil pressure was an issue in un-bushed block so Isky sent me their solid body lifters and after several years/miles and one rebuild, we`re golden.......... thumbs


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Re: Solid roller lifters for big block... [Re: Stanton] #1996642
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Originally Posted By Stanton
Cranes. For the life of me I can't understand why the one's with bushings cost more than the rollers.
That makes no sense to me either. shruggy


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Re: Solid roller lifters for big block... [Re: dartman366] #1996646
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I have the Steens in stock----USA made--super quality--good as Comps if not way better $375 set yea you can't Google them--they keep low profile and just keep on making some of the best private label parts ever--
Good to 650 open easy as pie want 750 and up on open--( you lifter killer you) go with some bushed Morels and pay out the y8ing yang OR...run reasonable lower pressures than are asked for by the crazy computer designed lobe crowd--run a reasonable lobe and get by with less $$$ lifters or...pay $900 for lifters run 1000 lbs open and still loose that bracket race round by .003
These days the newest lobes "require" stupid spring pressures you are probably not in a COMP Eliminator class turning 11K RPM so ...
Keep it reasonable--keep it in one piece--keep $$ under control
Stay away from Johnsons ( labeled as many names you know)
Steens are way cool lifters for the dough

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Originally Posted By crabman173
I have the Steens in stock----USA made--super quality--good as Comps if not way better $375 set yea you can't Google them--they keep low profile and just keep on making some of the best private label parts ever--
Good to 650 open easy as pie want 750 and up on open--( you lifter killer you) go with some bushed Morels and pay out the y8ing yang OR...run reasonable lower pressures than are asked for by the crazy computer designed lobe crowd--run a reasonable lobe and get by with less $$$ lifters or...pay $900 for lifters run 1000 lbs open and still loose that bracket race round by .003
These days the newest lobes "require" stupid spring pressures you are probably not in a COMP Eliminator class turning 11K RPM so ...
Keep it reasonable--keep it in one piece--keep $$ under control
Stay away from Johnsons ( labeled as many names you know)
Steens are way cool lifters for the dough



What diameter is the lifter wheen on the Steens??


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Originally Posted By crabman173
I have the Steens in stock----USA made--super quality--good as Comps if not way better $375 set yea you can't Google them--they keep low profile and just keep on making some of the best private label parts ever--
Good to 650 open easy as pie want 750 and up on open--( you lifter killer you) go with some bushed Morels and pay out the y8ing yang OR...run reasonable lower pressures than are asked for by the crazy computer designed lobe crowd--run a reasonable lobe and get by with less $$$ lifters or...pay $900 for lifters run 1000 lbs open and still loose that bracket race round by .003
These days the newest lobes "require" stupid spring pressures you are probably not in a COMP Eliminator class turning 11K RPM so ...
Keep it reasonable--keep it in one piece--keep $$ under control
Stay away from Johnsons ( labeled as many names you know)
Steens are way cool lifters for the dough

do they make offset lifters?

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no offsets I think wheel is .750 have to check but feel sure that is what they are

Re: Solid roller lifters for big block... [Re: rebel] #1996718
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Originally Posted By rebel
I was going to buy MRL myself until my racing buddy had a major failure with them. The roller fell off & destroyed a lobe on his cam. I'm using comp cams offset on both of my motors. Never had a failure that was related to the rollers.

MRL sells BAM Products lifters, which are manufactured by a former Crane engineer. It bothers me to hear about that failure, since I bought a set from MRL because they fit my lifter bores better (less clearance) than the COMP / IMM offset lifters I also have. This is the first failure of a BAM lifter I've heard about... down

Re: Solid roller lifters for big block... [Re: dartman366] #1996810
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$900. . I got some Jesel tool steel tie bar lifters, check the price out on those !!!!


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Re: Solid roller lifters for big block... [Re: dartman366] #1996866
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I'm not a salesman…nor do I attempt to persuade, but here’s some food for thought;
*The best lifters in existence for the most extreme applications do not use bushings.
*Bushings require far more oil supply and flow to prevent skidding.
*Rollers can survive and provide less friction with minimal oil supply.
*Rollers run cooler.
*Load moment on rollers are no different than bushings.
*It’s not the needle v/s bushing concept that prevents or promotes failure.
And finally……
*OEM manufactures do not use bushings. Manufacturing cost in a high production environment would be significantly less with bushings – add that up over millions of OEM lifters produced…..why wouldn’t they use them if they were better and cheaper to produce?

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FWIW
Bushed lifters NEED OIL all recent improvements to bushed units is in "oil to bushing" dept Every sort of groove/hole/ditch/passage is being employed BEST ADVICE IS--keep using a normal sane lobe not some stupid -may make another 5 HP computer designed crap lobe that requires giant spring pressure

and...to help prevent "skidding" we have always bead blasted roller lobes adding a "tooth" to them --after tear down it always looks better on the ramps after this easy cheap band-aid
before we did this ramps would show "skidding" This is in circle track applications---it can't hurt IMO

Re: Solid roller lifters for big block... [Re: Jerry Kathe] #1996913
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Originally Posted By Jerry Kathe
I'm not a salesman…nor do I attempt to persuade, but here’s some food for thought;
*The best lifters in existence for the most extreme applications do not use bushings.
*Bushings require far more oil supply and flow to prevent skidding.
*Rollers can survive and provide less friction with minimal oil supply.
*Rollers run cooler.
*Load moment on rollers are no different than bushings.
*It’s not the needle v/s bushing concept that prevents or promotes failure.
And finally……
*OEM manufactures do not use bushings. Manufacturing cost in a high production environment would be significantly less with bushings – add that up over millions of OEM lifters produced…..why wouldn’t they use them if they were better and cheaper to produce?

iagree
If the manufacturer has a design to cost initiative .....which I am sure they have had, then we can see the benefit. A cheaper alternative. An they haven't switched over. my twocents laugh2

Re: Solid roller lifters for big block... [Re: dartman366] #1996914
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Well, I've been running bushed Crower bushed lifters for 3 years. My spring pressures are 450 on the seat, 1200 open. My 55mm roller cam is close to an inch. So far I have had no failures and that's what it takes to make a predator engine run. I haven't run 650 open pressures in 20 years but if I did, the needle bearing Morel or Comps would be fine. I had problems with those when I got into the 750-800 lbs range, but I have friends that run the Manley 221424 springs and standard offset Comps and they get 200 passes without a problem. I really like the bushed lifters as if they do start to wear out, they don't deposit extremely hard little needle bearings somewhere in your engine. JMO

Re: Solid roller lifters for big block... [Re: dartman366] #1996919
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iv been using morels for about 10yrs now under 600#open pressure. no failures yet. had them rebuilt 3yrs ago. i think i paid $250 for them at the time. sounds like the sheens or morel are the way to go. the morels work great in an unbushed block. the lifter oil galleys leaked real bad on my 360 block with comp and crane lifters. im now going to use them under 650# on my current combo. we will see how it go's.

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Originally Posted By camastomcat
Well, I've been running bushed Crower bushed lifters for 3 years. My spring pressures are 450 on the seat, 1200 open. My 55mm roller cam is close to an inch. So far I have had no failures and that's what it takes to make a predator engine run. I haven't run 650 open pressures in 20 years but if I did, the needle bearing Morel or Comps would be fine. I had problems with those when I got into the 750-800 lbs range, but I have friends that run the Manley 221424 springs and standard offset Comps and they get 200 passes without a problem. I really like the bushed lifters as if they do start to wear out, they don't deposit extremely hard little needle bearings somewhere in your engine. JMO


I agree!!
Just figure most guys here are bracket racers and should stay in the "safe" lane lobe wise but cam makers tend act like we all have an engine like yours and get regular guys off in the weeds with crazy high pressures On the dyno you can really see the diff in lobes and what it takes to control the newest lobes--it is relaxing to run an "old" style lobe that can be controlled with lower pressures--they can still make big beautiful HP in most stock block combos
The proof of all this conversation is the trend of everyone having lifter issues and crushing out the needles--the conversation always starts out--"well..my cam grinder said I need 1000 open" then " I got 20 runs and wheel fell off of lifters" always comes back to the "new" cam they started using

I miss the days of the old .590 solid in a 440 and a J converter--:)

Re: Solid roller lifters for big block... [Re: dartman366] #1996937
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I miss the days of the old .590 solid in a 440 and a J converter--:)

Amen


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