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Stock block 440 with bushed lifter bores - school me #1962094
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I want to run a roller cam but was wondering if I will need special lifters that oil thru the push rods or will standard rollers work? street / strip combo.


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Re: Stock block 440 with bushed lifter bores - school me [Re: hemi_harvester] #1962112
12/02/15 11:39 PM
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If your going to run a standard oiling (through the rocker shaft) head, then you can run the solid body comps 829-16. my twocents This is if you mean solid roller. up

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Re: Stock block 440 with bushed lifter bores - school me [Re: hemi_harvester] #1962113
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There are several decent options, for a street and strip deal with moderate valve spring pressures, under 700 lbs open and below 7500 RPM I would go with a really good set of regaular solid roller lifters, not the cheapest ones tsk and make sure the rocker arms are oiled full time thumbs Two options on that, one is to have the number four cam journal grooved on a lathe all the way around the width of the stock oil hole in the cam and around .030 deep or so or have tha block cam journal groove behind the #4 cam beaing, I like option # 1 the best thumbs There are several other ways to do that but those two are probally the easeist way for most shops to do. As far as bushng the block if it is a 440 block and your shooting for under 700 HP on pump gas and no power addere plans don't waste your money on bushing the block until you find out if it needs it or not scope twocents I had one 440 block bushed years ago before I found out that the average 440 block main webs will fail if you push those blocks much above 750 HP N/A shruggy Good luck on your build thumbs Ss far as choices for building a good pump gas 440 block motor you might want to rethink your combination on your other post, I like and use the 4.25 stroke with 2.200 rod journal sizes and 7.100 long BB Chevy type H beam rods with the .990 wrist pin sizes, that reduces the grinding needed to clear the rods in the bottom of the block as well as it reduces the rotating wieght of the motor compared to the Mopar 2.375 size rod journals with those heavier rods and that 4.150 storke crankshaft and heavier, longer pistons work scope twocentsIHTHs thumbs

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Re: Stock block 440 with bushed lifter bores - school me [Re: hemi_harvester] #1962161
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Thanks a bunch that was a huge help.


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Re: Stock block 440 with bushed lifter bores - school me [Re: hemi_harvester] #1962677
12/03/15 09:52 PM
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The blocks that have be bushed are usually done for the higher end deals. This is done to correct the lifter bore geometry so that all at the angles and bore sizes are correct. The other reason is to go to pushrod oiling, the bushings help control oil.
It is a lot deeper than I just explained but that is a quick summary.

Re: Stock block 440 with bushed lifter bores - school me [Re: hemi_harvester] #1962679
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I suggest the crower solid body lifters. No need for anything special with the block.
I respectfully disagree with doing anything to the cam or cam bearing to increase oil to the head. Any added flow to the heads in this matter robs from #4 main, and #6 and #7 rod.
There are better ways to get oil to the heads that don't deplete oil supply down low.


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Re: Stock block 440 with bushed lifter bores - school me [Re: TRENDZ] #1962799
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Everyone is entitled to thier own opinion, I like oiling the rockers full time for the additional oil cooling to the valve springs thumbs All the World blocks oil the rockers full time, same thing on all of the Indy heads with the external oil lines to the rockers. I use full groove main bearings with a lot of oil clearances on both the main and rod bearings, I also use a high volume oil pump and a oil pan with addiotional oil capacity to try and insure adquate oil supply and volume to the motor when revved up to racing RPM, above 6000 RPMthumbs Lots of different ways to build motors, some work good, others don't shruggy


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Re: Stock block 440 with bushed lifter bores - school me [Re: hemi_harvester] #1962818
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Not disagreeing with oiling the top end full time. Bleeding of the #4 main and the two rods is where the issue is. Feed the heads from the main galleys. Don't put the bottom end at risk for something that is easily remedied with a simple drill and tap.


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