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Markings book on "Graveyard Carz" #1957953
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Mark Worman on "Graveyard Cars" has a book showing the inspection marks etc to put on the cars as they're going back together (for a Charger anyway). Is this something that's available, or something he put together for his shop?

Re: Markings book on "Graveyard Carz" [Re: 6pkaar] #1957958
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No two cars were exactly the same, so if you are doing an OE restoration, document the marks you find & put them back.

'Adding' stuff that was not there turns a car into a custom, not a true restoration.

Re: Markings book on "Graveyard Carz" [Re: 6pkaar] #1957967
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Ask yourself, why are those marks there? were they paid to mark each car the same? Did the workers at the plant use a book to know where to put the marks? Heck no, they put them where they were needed, so each car is unique.

Re: Markings book on "Graveyard Carz" [Re: NANKET] #1957972
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My problem is I got the car totally stripped of all markings. I figure it would be more correct with the markings it "should" have gotten rather than none at all. What would you do?

Re: Markings book on "Graveyard Carz" [Re: 6pkaar] #1957994
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Your car was there the day it was built & none of us were, so it is the best witness you could hope for.

Re: Markings book on "Graveyard Carz" [Re: 6pkaar] #1958036
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I agree with Barry, 5, 20, 40 years from now will all similar models have the same marks and stamps? Let's hope not.
If worman has a "book" like that I'd be interested to know if he documented the car he's working on, or did he, or one (or more) of his sponsors put something together?

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The books he uses are from Dave Wise. And they are a reference not a 100%. All those marks were done by someones hand so they aren't all the same.

Yes you can duplicate to have some "jewelry" on your car.

Even with those books he managed to put the Dana rear p/n tag on the passenger tube instead of the drivers side tube.
Ron

Re: Markings book on "Graveyard Carz" [Re: 6pkaar] #1958052
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Dave's books weren't made to be an assembly manual but are full of great reference material if you are trying to learn what to look for on your car.

I agree with Barry, if you don't have your own cars originals to reference you will only end up with a copy of someone else's car. You may just as well leave them off if not sure. .02

Re: Markings book on "Graveyard Carz" [Re: RJS] #1958057
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I'd LOVE to have the car assembled to be able to document all of the markings. Unfortunarely I got it after disassembly, sand blasted and in primer. NOTHING left of the original to document.

Re: Markings book on "Graveyard Carz" [Re: 6pkaar] #1958108
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Originally Posted By 6pkaar
I'd LOVE to have the car assembled to be able to document all of the markings. Unfortunarely I got it after disassembly, sand blasted and in primer. NOTHING left of the original to document.

I would probably just not use any, but do what makes you happy. I wonder now how many of these cars are going to have the exact same nice bright markings on them? It's going to be almost comical !

Re: Markings book on "Graveyard Carz" [Re: 6pkaar] #1958111
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Paint daubs seem to be the latest fad.

The way things are going, in another 20 years, every flat hood e-body will have a shaker hood & have paint daubs on so much stuff the underside will look like the Partridge family bus.

Re: Markings book on "Graveyard Carz" [Re: 6pkaar] #1958118
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Not only that, most reproduced paint markings I've seen are WAY over done, too thick, gloppy, and shiny. Most originals were rather thin and runny, on the dull side, as if a very watered down/thin paint or ink was used.

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Originally Posted By ScottSmith_Harms
Not only that, most reproduced paint markings I've seen are WAY over done, too thick, gloppy, and shiny. Most originals were rather thin and runny, on the dull side, as if a very watered down/thin paint or ink was used.

Man ... do you got that right!

Re: Markings book on "Graveyard Carz" [Re: ademon] #1958267
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The OP asked a specific question but most want to correct him.
I answered his question and now it's up to him to do it how he wants.
The E-body example about flat hoods turned Shaker left the barn about 20 years ago!
Ron

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I was at Roger Gibson's years ago and he had Tupperware boxes full of photos of original markings and such arranged by model, year, and plant. What a wealth of info. Of course, that wouldn't tell you how your car was marked. But still cool.


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Re: Markings book on "Graveyard Carz" [Re: RJS] #1958363
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Originally Posted By RJS
The OP asked a specific question but most want to correct him.
I answered his question and now it's up to him to do it how he wants.
The E-body example about flat hoods turned Shaker left the barn about 20 years ago!
Ron


Best answer above,

Ignore those telling you what not to do, something is better than nothing if factory appearing is what you want:

Re: Markings book on "Graveyard Carz" [Re: 6pkaar] #1958455
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Automakers worked more than one shift, Joe was right handed, while Andy was left handed and had more of a slant with his markings , Sam was taking a break most of the night. Take your pick for the correct markings if any are really correct.


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Re: Markings book on "Graveyard Carz" [Re: rowin4] #1958718
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Originally Posted By rowin4
Automakers worked more than one shift, Joe was right handed, while Andy was left handed and had more of a slant with his markings , Sam was taking a break most of the night. Take your pick for the correct markings if any are really correct.

my opinion is this on markings: if you have no documentation[pics on tear down] and some what of an idea what markings are needed[provided none were missed, or frank just didn't care and didn't bother to do his job marking as was needed], then do not "copy" a picture in a book, just use the same paint color and mark in your own style as if that was your job at that time in history. just do it once. thick, thin, heavy, light, however it comes out will be ok. probably be as correct as anything out there. and if you miss something, well maybe "you" was out goofing off or taking an extra long lunch that day..........
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Re: Markings book on "Graveyard Carz" [Re: 6pkaar] #1958794
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Good plan above. The marks were to draw attention to things for many reasons;
Not torqued
torqued and done
re-cecked like was mentioned in last weeks shop meeting, etc
marked a certain color for a certain torque to be done later when the wrench was available. To draw attention to bad threads the won't move, need repairs, etc.
Then there are fluids,that are full, not full, missing the SG lube because his empty jug.
Then there are the artists leaving their mark on things to keep themselves amused, or sending messages to others down the line, etc.
Then there is the new guys, or the guys that are bring watched by the boss, taking time to do it by the book. So this will change the final product over the guy that is having fun, wasting time, on lunch, etc.

I have seen the overdone marks and agree. The nuts painted 360 degrees around on every surface, did they stand there and do that for 3minutes each on 6 nuts? Possible, but not probable.

Re: Markings book on "Graveyard Carz" [Re: 6pkaar] #1958808
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Have often thought how ironic, cars restored to the nines with the correct nuts at 5 bucks each on the throttle linkage, the correct air filter on a six pac, painted stamps/markings all about,,,and the car sitting there in all its glory with an over the top, color sanded 2 stage 20K plus paint job and door gaps that Bentley might die for.

Attend an NCRS Vette event once for further information, you will see that Mopar's have some catching up to do,,,but closing in fast.

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