How much power have you put to a 230 block?
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I did a search and couldn't find too many examples so perhaps I suck. Anyways,provided it sonic checks well, where do you guys feel is a comfortable limit on one of these thick web blocks? I have a 13.5:1 E85 499" build in the works that will have ported -1s on top so I'm guessing 775 HP on nuts. I'm pretty sure that's safe, but I don't think that's enough for me so I'd love to spray another 150-200 to it.
For those that have put a lot of power to one, did you have aluminum mains, girdle, half-fill, etc? This one has aluminum mains, but no block filler. Unfortunately it's already been machined.
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Re: How much power have you put to a 230 block?
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My old 630 block with four ductile iron sleeves made over 725 HP with a set of SR heads on Oregon pump swill. I had put a set of Indy CNC ported 440-1 on that same short block and they made 775 HP at 7000 RPM on the same fuel It is still running today with a lot of laps and street miles on it. I did transfer metal from the block to the Mopar brand ductile iron main caps when it had a set of 906 heads on it making a tad over 600 HP, I took a flat mill file and removed the metal from the caps and blcoks twice during refreshenings on that block, no bad results so far My current bracket car has a cold weather thick main 230 block that made 676 HP on E85 with a set of CNC ported RPM heads and a single E85 Dominator carb. I may take it apart this winter to look at it, I replace the Eddy RPM heads with a set of Eddy Victor M.W. heads last winter It has the type same main caps as the first one did.
Last edited by Cab_Burge; 10/13/15 03:11 PM.
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Re: How much power have you put to a 230 block?
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Call up Koffel and talk to them. Those guys have built high hp 400 blocks for many, many years. That is why the B1 head is designed for the low deck.
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Re: How much power have you put to a 230 block?
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GRP or BME rods and let it eat IMO.
Mopar to the bone!!!
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Re: How much power have you put to a 230 block?
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I had a 230 block, half fill, 499 cu in, 13 to 1 ross pistons, BME alum rods, callies 4.150 crank, alum main caps, 1150 domi converted for E85, indy sr heads that flowed 335 int, max wedge ports, indy intake, 650 comp solid cam, crank trigger, vac pump, etc. NO girdle on it just main and head studs. On the dyno it made 771 hp and ran great for many years. I sold the car and I believe it is still running yet. It's the car in my sig. David
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Re: How much power have you put to a 230 block?
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I have read how some don't like the filler. Have you had a bad experience with it? I've seen the Moroso brand cement filler shrink away from the insides of the blocks after curing on one Hemi block I did It had moved the center freeze plug on the passenger side causingit to leak coolant so I pulled it and replaced it is the onlly reason I saw the shrinking One other reason is on a customer SB that had been fiiled by one of the better Mopar NHRA class racer engine shops back east in MI we saw two different engine block temps with a infra red handheld temp. gun, 180 in the filled area and 130 in the upper part where the water was circulating from the dyno colling system Not conducive to ring seal and ring life, in my opinion and experiences
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Re: How much power have you put to a 230 block?
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I would do what you are thinking. It should run hard. But I would start looking for a good block because you will want more. I hit a hi compression, stroker 440 with hi boost 40 times before I got nervous. I have a crank trigger and EFI so my tune is fairly stable. It was 3100#. The Wallace racing calculators spit out an unbelievable number! Time slip
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Re: How much power have you put to a 230 block?
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i had two different shops tell me that every 230 thick web block they sonic'ed had thin cylinder walls and one block had what looked like the core was installed incorrectly as the minor and major thrust were the thinnest part of the cylinders with the front and back being the thickest. i also have a 230 block, but it is not the thick web block and it too has thin cylinders. from what i'v seen the 230 blocks seen to run on the thin side for cylinder integrity. I have experienced the same thing. Every one I have ever had sonic checked has had at lease one thin cylinder. All the 76-78 blocks "thin wall" blocks I've checked have been thicker.
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Re: How much power have you put to a 230 block?
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i had two different shops tell me that every 230 thick web block they sonic'ed had thin cylinder walls and one block had what looked like the core was installed incorrectly as the minor and major thrust were the thinnest part of the cylinders with the front and back being the thickest. i also have a 230 block, but it is not the thick web block and it too has thin cylinders. from what i'v seen the 230 blocks seen to run on the thin side for cylinder integrity. Yep, my 72 truck 400 has real good 200+ on the thrust sides and although I`m not makin killer power, I may spray this pig soon so I can catch WETFART..........
72 Dart 470 n/a BB stroker street car `THUMPER`...Check me out on FB Dominic Thumper for videos and lots of carb pics......760-900-3895.....
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Re: How much power have you put to a 230 block?
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10/18/15 12:48 PM
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Have been running a half fill(top of freeze plugs)of Hard-block on my 440 block for 14 years, no issues to date. The block was cleaned prior & used a deck plate on it.
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Re: How much power have you put to a 230 block?
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After working at Pettis and seeing the affects on filled blocks I didn`t fill mine but it was squared, bored and torque plate honed about 14 years ago and although not stellar, it`s still goin strong.......
72 Dart 470 n/a BB stroker street car `THUMPER`...Check me out on FB Dominic Thumper for videos and lots of carb pics......760-900-3895.....
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