Re: Very poor fuel economy
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Carter BBD is a horrible carburetor at best, and it gets worse as they age. Re-manufactured ones don't really help the issue.Just throw it to the bottom of the ocean as fish habitat, where it belongs. Make certain your choke system is working correctly. Make certain you have no vacuum leaks. Make certain your distributor is installed correctly and the plug wires are in proper sequence. Make sure your ignition timing is spot on. And what does your vacuum gauge say? (Thank you for using one!)
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Re: Very poor fuel economy
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Which Ignition system is on your Aspen? Is it a Lean Burn? If the egr is functioning, removing it may cost you more gas mileage! Was the car designed with a converter that is no longer present?
Have you looked at all the fuel lines for signs of leaks? Old hoses & new gas don't mix well.
A reman carb does not necessarily mean it was rebuilt correctly, Ive seen some really wore out carbs that have been rebuild that still have worn throttle bushings and poor quality work. These carbs are rebuilt from 30 year old (or more) cores. Slapping a kit and a new float in them does not mean they are rebuilt, which is all a lot of reman shops are doing these days.
I don't know how things were set up over where your at, but here in the states, a 77 would probably have a lock up trans. They were really bad at being set up incorrectly and some would lock up as soon as the car shifted into drive. Coupled with really high rear end gears (2:45 was not unheard of) and the trans locking up at 20-25 mph, people would tend to step harder into the gas to maintain city speeds, making poor city gas mileage. Gene
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Re: Very poor fuel economy
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Did a simple pressure test on the engine btw, seems ok given its age and vintage* I think: That's 1 - 121 psi 2 - 139 psi 3 - 133 psi 4 - 121 psi 5 - 124 psi 6 - 142 psi 7 - 121 psi 8 - 133 psi *low comp smog era engines
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Re: Very poor fuel economy
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Lock up and lean burn came in '78 AFAIK. Asked my mechanic about the sure grip rear end and he told me it had a 2.60 ratio. Not sure what to make of that, could be either 2.75 or 2.45 I guess.
It does have a catalytic converter, single exhaust setup that's next on my list. Pretty rusty, had it welded for the time being but wants replacing really.
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Re: Very poor fuel economy
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Ignition kit from Jeg's that I installed, kept the 4 prong BR though. Haven't messed with the adjustable distributor yet as it's such a PITA to get at. Should be okay for a stock application really. JEGS Performance Products 40500K1 - JEGS Mopar Electronic Ignition Conversion Kits with Forged Distributors Details
Electronic Ignition - Complete Kit
Includes: Forged Distributor with Vacuum & Mechanical Advance 555-40500 HiRev-7500 ECU 555-40805 Wiring Harness 555-40801 Ballast Resistor 555-40103 HP Coil 555-40105 Spark Plug Wires 555-40250 Also planning to replace the presumably original nylon timing gear, maybe the harmonic balacer too.
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Re: Very poor fuel economy
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Years ago I bought a 72 Dart that got horrible mileage, went thru all the stuff you did but the engine had a fresh remanufactured carb on it when I bought it.
Turns out that reman carb had jets 8 sizes too big. Once I put the right jets in mileage more than doubled.
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Re: Very poor fuel economy
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I have one of those Colortune plugs! I would put in a new timing chain set with the 3 keyways and adv it 4 deg. your compression readings are OK (thanks for converting from bars to psi, I was worried for a bit!) so the longblock is OK. 73/74 was a bad period for discombobulated timing/jetting as Ma was trying to meet gov't regs plus there was the fuel crisis of that era but '75 & up was much better so I think there is something else going on. I would do the tchain plus possibly a new mileage cam to build some DCR, confirm no vac leak. blockoff or unhook/cap the vac lines to the egr thingamajig. that carb may have no ported nipple so tune the dist for manifold. confirm the choke operation is good. holler how it turns out
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Re: Very poor fuel economy
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My first thoughts were a plugged cat and a stuck heat riser flap in the exhaust manifold.
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Re: Very poor fuel economy
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Stock, the car should do way better than what you're getting. SO, I'd not start swapping parts. Buying and installing new this and thats is a sure way to spend a lot of money with possibly no return. The last few comments have been solid. First, get the stock car to run the way it was delivered, then make changes to increase performance.
R. I agree with above. What octane is your fuel there? Sound like the enrichment circuit-spring could be the problem on the carb(making it run rich all the time) or float to high and running over, about the only way you can lose mpg that much. Should add, undo the choke and see how it runs, too cold to open all the way.
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Re: Very poor fuel economy
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Do a 10 second check.
Pop the hood. Go to the passenger side. Grab the heat riser flap on the exhaust manifold and make sure it turns properly.
If that thing is closed the engine will not be able to breathe.
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Re: Very poor fuel economy
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What octane is your fuel there? I doubt that's much of an issue. The cheapest fuel available would be 95 Research Octane (RON) that's ca. 91 octane US. 93 and 95 octane US (98 & 100 RON) are also available at most filling stations but on a low compression engine that would be a waste of money. I'll check the heat riser flap tomorrow. How does the intake crossover affect mileage btw? Using a valley pan that actually blocks the crossover passage seems to be a popular solution to fuel evaporation in the carb. Do they also get terrible fuel economy?
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Re: Very poor fuel economy
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What octane is your fuel there? I doubt that's much of an issue. The cheapest fuel available would be 95 Research Octane (RON) that's ca. 91 octane US. 93 and 95 octane US (98 & 100 RON) are also available at most filling stations but on a low compression engine that would be a waste of money. I'll check the heat riser flap tomorrow. How does the intake crossover affect mileage btw? Using a valley pan that actually blocks the crossover passage seems to be a popular solution to fuel evaporation in the carb. Do they also get terrible fuel economy? If clogged, it keeps the choke,if stove type, not electric, from opening. How far down do you have to push the gas pedal to maintain, say 35 mph.
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Re: Very poor fuel economy
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I have the traditional divorced choke setup: Not sure if the "electric assist" function works (the cable going to a little metal plate). Ordered a replacement but hasn't arrived yet. I did however disable the choke on the old carb without seing any major changes in fuel economy. Never really thought about how the accelerator pedal feels, it's responsive enough though. Certainly no excessive travel.
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Re: Very poor fuel economy
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I have the traditional divorced choke setup: Not sure if the "electric assist" function works (the cable going to a little metal plate). Ordered a replacement but hasn't arrived yet. I did however disable the choke on the old carb without seing any major changes in fuel economy. Never really thought about how the accelerator pedal feels, it's responsive enough though. Certainly no excessive travel. If you're not having to floor it to get moving, maybe carb is flooding. Look in carb when running, see if fuel is drizzling from the boosters. If not see how far throttle opens before fuel drizzles and how much. You're dumping a lot of fuel to only get 5 mpg. What is the longest time you drove the car?
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