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Re: Edelbrock 1411 lean issues on 440 [Re: chermik1999] #1850899
06/17/15 02:14 AM
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well that's going to have to wait.

When I got my safety done last week, there was a few item like brakes, wheel cylinder, drums etc. SO I let them do it as I have enough on my plate seeing it would be another 2 weeks for me with my timeline to do it.

So I get it back and I'm hearing scuff noises at the wheels. So I figured since they did rear axle seals, probably screwed up the preload adjuster....some shops forgot what the day was....

So I figured a good time to check the brakes, change the bearings for Green Bearings and pull the 2.76 one legger and put in the 3:55 posi.

So went to pull the shaft and I cant get it out? SUP....well it turns out whoever owned it before somehow jammed the shaft in by some stroke of luck. Like no end play on the slip yoke?????? How the H***lll.

So got it out, did the measurements and got to get the shaft shortened tomorrow. Darn good thing I decided to do this .....could have been a problem....geez. Can you imagine?

So needless to say, I had better get going through this meep meep section by section. One good thing, here in Canada there are none around. So the value for what I have to put into it will always be there.

Stay tuned...oh ya. Running better everyday. And A/F is now at 14.5-14.7 at idle. Kudos to Quick Fuel....nice carb. Also valves must be starting to loosen up maybe??

Be back when I have something new to report on this continuing saga....lol.


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Re: Edelbrock 1411 lean issues on 440 [Re: chermik1999] #1851677
06/18/15 10:35 AM
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well....installed posi 3:55 and new shaft. Mucho major....nice to see 2 rubber stipe on the road...lol.

So to carry on the carb. I'll start changing the air bleeds to get it closer now. 14:0 ish to get to 14:7 is real close.

You guys are great...thanks.

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Re: Edelbrock 1411 lean issues on 440 [Re: chermik1999] #1853147
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All done! Front wheels redone, brakes, bearings, races etc. No issues now!
Now back to carb. Now seems to get better everyday that I drive it. So think i'll drive for a while as the valve issues seems to get getting better.

So will report back in a week or so to try and free up the gum in there.

Re: Edelbrock 1411 lean issues on 440 [Re: RapidRobert] #1854974
06/23/15 02:50 AM
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Originally Posted By RapidRobert
I'm not really thinking preload but it could be if the pushrods are a bit too short & the cup is too close to the snap ring at TDC then when things get hot the clearance decreases even further till there is contact making in effect a solid lifter sort of. ~.020 is ballpark. put a lifter on base circle and set a 6" thin steel scale "ruler" across the valve cover rails then make a sharpie mark on the edge & slide it over fast till it touches & makes a witness mark on the side of the pushrod then unbolt the rocker shaft evenly till the pushrod JUST stops moving upward (no sideways movement that skews your test) & this is when the lifter cup has reached the snap ring. make another witness mark then measure the distance between the two witness marks & that is the preload distance. its easier to finish removing the whole rocker assy then so you csan remove the pushrod to make it easier to measure it. On the other idling with valve cover(s) off press straight down on each rocker arm on the lifter end with a wooden hammer handle (hurry it is a messy job).



OK Robert.....I did the last bit you mentioned on the right bank. That's where I have isolated the noise at #2. So as I was pushing down all rockers, the exhaust on #2 would bleed down, start clacking then pump back up after a few secs. The others were fine no change when pressing down So I think it's some bad lifters or slightly bent push rod?

Also put seafoam in the crankcase as well and drove for a few days so far. Seems to start loosening up as the engine is running smother if that's possible and the A/F is starting to get closer to 14.0 ish. And I haven't changes the air bleeds yet. I think I'll keep running for a while longer.

As for the top end noise, I think I should change the lifters and for sure check the straightness of the push rods.....

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Re: Edelbrock 1411 lean issues on 440 [Re: chermik1999] #1855272
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take the offending lifter(s) out & open em up/clean up/lightly oil/reassemble/reinstall (keep innards in same body)/lifter back in same hole it came out of


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Re: Edelbrock 1411 lean issues on 440 [Re: RapidRobert] #1855605
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Originally Posted By RapidRobert
take the offending lifter(s) out & open em up/clean up/lightly oil/reassemble/reinstall (keep innards in same body)/lifter back in same hole it came out of


Will do....also may be fuel pump? heck I don't know, but I just changed the oil a few weeks ago with 10/40 royal purple. Maybe 100 miles.....now it's black again....darn thing is filthy.....so i'll have to flush it s few times as well. I'll get it....with your and others help...lol.

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Re: Edelbrock 1411 lean issues on 440 [Re: chermik1999] #1872864
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Well...got some time to get back at her.

So changed fuel pump and looks to be working well. Now for the good stuff.

Back to the valve train noise. So I thought I'd get to the cleaning that we talked about. So pulled #2 intake out and took it apart. Cleaning etc, but had an additional tiny spring that came out of the varsol and didn't know where it went. So no problem, pulled the sister one out to carefully do the same and pay attention this time. This is what I found....


So delema....change lifters only with breakin or cam as well. Lifters look like new and lobes look same. Not too worn as I figured may have 5-8k miles on the engine.

Ideas??

Re: Edelbrock 1411 lean issues on 440 [Re: chermik1999] #1872879
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just me I'd go with my orig plan. clean em up/lightly oil/reinstall/preoil. Tho I'd hate to see you have to open it up again if that dont do it


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Re: Edelbrock 1411 lean issues on 440 [Re: RapidRobert] #1872938
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Rob...too late. Took off intake to start tear down. But funny thing....all int are one size and ex are another as shown in the pic. Now Im stumped.....ever seen that before?

I can replace as I have a gasket kit and was going to change the intake a anyway cause they painted it and looks ugly.

But why would they have 2 different sizes of lifters? Compensate for solid rocker shaft with high lift cam> Cam specs:

480/496 lift, 238-246 duration.

Re: Edelbrock 1411 lean issues on 440 [Re: chermik1999] #1873032
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I figured it out. Would appear that someone had replaced 4 in the right bank with different ones. The left is normal. Now I did find some not so straight push rods as well. So looks like good to pull the intake. I'm going to chance it and replace lifters as the ones now are still convex. So I'm assuming the motor still didn't break in yet. So that's the next step. Hope fully doesn't burn the cam.

Re: Edelbrock 1411 lean issues on 440 [Re: chermik1999] #1873180
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Keep It Simple Sam, the lifters that ain't being replaced put em back in the same hole ( & same innards in same lifter body and mockup the new ones & check by cleaning the lifter/lifter bore with brake kleen then lubing lightly with WD40 then drop the lifter in & raise it up off of the cam lobe with your finger & let loose of it & it should fall back onto the lobe with a resounding "thump" & if not then it is too tight & will not rotate properly & will fubar the breakin which you will be doing (go thru a normal 25 minute cam breakin procedure). I forgot if this is hyd or solid but check the preload/set breakin lash dimention. If solid I set the lash then remove the rocker assys then goop the cam then reinstall the rocker assys as a carefull R&R will not change the adj screw/locknut position & cam/lifter failures are epidemic. Holler how it turns out.


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Re: Edelbrock 1411 lean issues on 440 [Re: chermik1999] #1874179
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Well was going to replace all of them and not mess around. I don't know what the manufacturer is of the rest, so I thought better to be safe. I'll do the cam lube, breakin procedure like you say and slip a bottle of zinc as well.

With the 4 being shorter by .0020 and hydraulic flat, im thinking that's best?

Why would anyone be so stupid? Im sure that's my valley noise now.

So should work ya?

Sam....lol.

Re: Edelbrock 1411 lean issues on 440 [Re: chermik1999] #1874279
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I like the one guys' handle (on here) "common sense, the least common of all the senses". Yes swap em all, inner spring out/do "thunk" test & the rest of the nit picking stuff needed to ensure a successfull breakin.


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Re: Edelbrock 1411 lean issues on 440 [Re: chermik1999] #1874336
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ok...guess I'll get some cotton rope....may as well try to free up that #1 ex valve at same time.

Thanks...be a few weeks as leaving for Kelowna, BC again tomorrow. Mid Aug to report.

thanks ey....lol. (canadian pun..lol)

Re: Edelbrock 1411 lean issues on 440 [Re: chermik1999] #1920544
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wow! I've been away for a while...lol.

I'll be getting back into it now. I'll report back once I have the lifters in and get running again.

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