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Dangerous Product: Moog Ball Joints
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08/27/15 01:35 AM
08/27/15 01:35 AM
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I purchased a pair of Moog Problem Solver lower ball joints for my '68 Barracuda convertible. The pair that I put in there when I went through the suspension 3 or 4k miles ago were worn out? My alignment guy lifted the front of the car to make enough room for a prybar to lip under the tire and lift it up. The amount of freeplay at the lower balljoint was scary. The bottom of the tire would move over 3/4 of an inch up before the balljoint play would be taken up. Yes, Moog joints.
I ordered another set of Moog joints from Summit, K-781 & K783. I have the 11 &3/4" disc brake swap on my car.
The driver's side went in like normal. When I pulled the passenger side out of the box and prepared to put the rubber boot on it, I felt the entire ball joint itself wiggling loosely in the forged arm. I called Summit and they sent me a replacement and picked up the bad one UPS. I love Summit!
The next day, I received the replacement passenger side lower ball joint, # K-781. The ball joint seemed tight in the arm, so I began to bolt it in. No sooner than I had the K-781 bolted to the spindle and began bolting on the castle nut to attach the assembly to the lower control arm, than the ball joint fell out of the forged arm nearly dropping my spindle/dustshield onto the ground. I was just barley able to catch it in time.
I started doing some research about Moog quality and was disappointed to find this is a rather widely known issue. What a disappointment to find out Moog sold us out!
Needless to say, I am returning both lower ball joints to Summit and making them aware of the dangerous quality control issue with Moog.
I found a company that reportedly sells high quality suspension pasts called XRF Chassis. Has anyone tried their parts?
1970 Plymouth 'Cuda #'s 440-6(block in storage)currently 493" 6 pack, Shaker, 5 speed Passon, 4.10's
1968 Plymouth Barracuda Convertible 408 Magnum EFI with 4 speed automatic overdrive, 3800 stall lock-up converter and 4.30's (closest thing to an automatic 5 speed going)
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Re: Dangerous Product: Moog Ball Joints
[Re: jbc426]
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08/27/15 09:23 AM
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I purchased a pair of Moog Problem Solver lower ball joints for my '68 Barracuda convertible. The pair that I put in there when I went through the suspension 3 or 4k miles ago were worn out? My alignment guy lifted the front of the car to make enough room for a prybar to lip under the tire and lift it up. The amount of freeplay at the lower balljoint was scary. The bottom of the tire would move over 3/4 of an inch up before the balljoint play would be taken up. Yes, Moog joints.
I ordered another set of Moog joints from Summit, K-781 & K783. I have the 11 &3/4" disc brake swap on my car.
The driver's side went in like normal. When I pulled the passenger side out of the box and prepared to put the rubber boot on it, I felt the entire ball joint itself wiggling loosely in the forged arm. I called Summit and they sent me a replacement and picked up the bad one UPS. I love Summit!
The next day, I received the replacement passenger side lower ball joint, # K-781. The ball joint seemed tight in the arm, so I began to bolt it in. No sooner than I had the K-781 bolted to the spindle and began bolting on the castle nut to attach the assembly to the lower control arm, than the ball joint fell out of the forged arm nearly dropping my spindle/dustshield onto the ground. I was just barley able to catch it in time.
I started doing some research about Moog quality and was disappointed to find this is a rather widely known issue. What a disappointment to find out Moog sold us out!
Needless to say, I am returning both lower ball joints to Summit and making them aware of the dangerous quality control issue with Moog.
I found a company that reportedly sells high quality suspension pasts called XRF Chassis. Has anyone tried their parts?  wow, pretty scaring info considering the rep Moog has always had as being the 'go to' for a quality part!
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Re: Dangerous Product: Moog Ball Joints
[Re: jbc426]
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08/27/15 11:50 AM
08/27/15 11:50 AM
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Niles , Ohio
therocks
oh wait.but hey.lets see.oh yeah.
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oh wait.but hey.lets see.oh yeah.
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Try and find some old TRW parts.They were USA made and quality and cheaper than Moog.Rocky
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Re: Dangerous Product: Moog Ball Joints
[Re: jbc426]
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08/27/15 04:24 PM
08/27/15 04:24 PM
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NE Oklahoma
Von
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XRF=run faster than you can!!
I had a set of their ball joints in our 03 Ram. They were so dam tight that it was scary pulling our 34 fr travel trailer. No other changes to the truck but the joints. Truck pulled beautifully before the joint change. Called xrf. The guy was a total jerk. Stated 03 rams are pos and wouldnt do anything, even though the joints have a lt warranty. 2 yrs, a bunch of white knuckle miles, taking the truck to numerous shops, etc later.... had a local shop look at the jointd. Completety wasted. Called xrf again. SAME jerk answered the phone. Called 03 dodge rams total pos again....So, took the xrf crap out and sent them back to the shop in okc i bought them from. I was shocked when i got a refund from xrf about a month later. The xrf joints were very costly and basically shot from day 1
Replaced them with napa premium joints at half the price. They have lasted 55k so far.
I would not even consider using them.....
Last edited by Von; 08/27/15 04:31 PM.
72 RR, Pump gas 440, 452s, 3800 lbs, Corked, ET Radials,. 11.33@117.72.
Same car, bone stock 346s, 9.5 comp, baby solid. 12.24@110.
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Re: Dangerous Product: Moog Ball Joints
[Re: jbc426]
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08/27/15 04:33 PM
08/27/15 04:33 PM
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Von
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See what rock auto has. I bought some very old stock tie rod ends for my 97 dodge ram. They were in car quest boxes but were usa made trw units. Dirt cheap also.
Last edited by Von; 08/27/15 04:33 PM.
72 RR, Pump gas 440, 452s, 3800 lbs, Corked, ET Radials,. 11.33@117.72.
Same car, bone stock 346s, 9.5 comp, baby solid. 12.24@110.
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Re: Dangerous Product: Moog Ball Joints
[Re: jbc426]
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08/27/15 07:21 PM
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Tulsa OK
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Do some searching on Proforged ball joints. I just bought a set for my Jeep a few months back. I found a thread on a Chevelle forum where a rep answered someones question. He explained why they are made in Taiwan vs products that are "Assembled in USA", it was interesting and made sense to me. My front end guy agreed that he had seen some good stuff come from them as well. Check it out.
68 Barracuda Formula S 340
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Re: Dangerous Product: Moog Ball Joints
[Re: jbc426]
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08/27/15 08:58 PM
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I just put moog upper and lowers in my car last year, no issues
Now I need to pin those needles, got to feel that heat
Hear my motor screamin while I'm tearin up the street
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Re: Dangerous Product: Moog Ball Joints
[Re: GTX MATT]
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08/27/15 11:53 PM
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I was using Raybestos until Federal Mogul bought them. Now I'm resorting to NAPA's NCP line as I understand they are re-boxed Spicer.
"We live in a time when intelligent people are being silenced so that stupid people won't be offended".
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Re: Dangerous Product: Moog Ball Joints
[Re: jbc426]
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08/28/15 08:09 AM
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I had started hearing some bad things about Moog before doing a front end rebuild on my Diplomat cop car. I emailed Moog and surprisingly got an answer very quickly. It said they manufacture in something like 9 countries, and that if I send part numbers they can tell me country of origin. I did so, and fortunately, my stuff was US made. They've been on for awhile now and have been good, EXCEPT for the damn boots that crack and fall off eventually within a year (usually less).
Facts are stubborn things.
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Re: Dangerous Product: Moog Ball Joints
[Re: 1969ronnie]
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08/28/15 12:41 PM
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This is correct, most of the companies that used to sell good, quality, made on at least the North American continent now sell crap made in China, and for the same inflated prices. The consumer is paying for their motorsports sponsorships ...
running up my post count some more .
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Re: Dangerous Product: Moog Ball Joints
[Re: GTX MATT]
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08/28/15 12:43 PM
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I just put moog upper and lowers in my car last year, no issues Yet ...
running up my post count some more .
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Re: Dangerous Product: Moog Ball Joints
[Re: jbc426]
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08/28/15 01:16 PM
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an8sec70cuda
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So who is good other than ProForged?
I put Moog ball joints on my '01 Dodge 2500 about 4 years ago and they're still OK as far as I know. Put about 40k miles on them. I got them thinking they've got to be better than the cheaper brands and I didn't want any junk underneath that heavy Cummins.
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'70 hemicuda, 575" Hemi, 727, Dana 60
'69 road runner, 440-6, 18 spline 4 speed, Dana 60
'71 Demon, 340, low gear 904, 8.75
'73 Chrysler New Yorker, 440, 727, 8.75
'90 Chevy 454SS Silverado, 476" BBC, TH400, 14 bolt
'06 GMC 2500HD LBZ Duramax
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Re: Dangerous Product: Moog Ball Joints
[Re: jbc426]
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08/28/15 01:21 PM
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Let me tell ya about fat chicks!
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This is a dilema, I have that 3 I need to build in the next 6 months.
Careful, your character's showing!
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Re: Dangerous Product: Moog Ball Joints
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08/28/15 02:07 PM
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jbc426
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Does the OP have a pic of the failure?
I'm having a hard time visualizing how a bolted ball joint could fall out? Here are some related shots including the separated ball from the forged arm. The retainer that holds the ball joint into the arm socket appears to have not been crimped together properly. It was just loosely attached.
1970 Plymouth 'Cuda #'s 440-6(block in storage)currently 493" 6 pack, Shaker, 5 speed Passon, 4.10's
1968 Plymouth Barracuda Convertible 408 Magnum EFI with 4 speed automatic overdrive, 3800 stall lock-up converter and 4.30's (closest thing to an automatic 5 speed going)
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