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Condensation In Oil? #189657
01/10/09 05:10 PM
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I changed the oil in my 04 Ram Hemi today noticed a LOT of condensation under the fill cap (it has the big plastic one that the new cars have)-enough that 5-6 drops of water went back down the fill tube. Before I filled the crankcase again, I let it ventilate for about an hour. After I refilled the crankcase, I ran it for a few minutes (not to operating temp but enough to warm it up a little) and didnt see any water in the oil, or hear anything bad and psi was normal. I checked the PCV valve it was OK.

Then I looked at my wife's Durango (4.7) which has the same fill cap as the Hemi. It was also wet with yellow jelly coagulated on the bottom. Again, the oil looked fine and its not due for an oil change for another 1000 miles.

Maybe I just never noticed it before but is this normal for all this condensation to sit up under fill caps on these engines? They seat very tight and I can see how the crankcases dont breathe as well as the older engines screw-in fill caps and breathers in the valve cover (the PCVs on both trucks tested OK)


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Re: Condensation In Oil? [Re: RangerDan440] #189658
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normal in cold weather

Re: Condensation In Oil? [Re: 05dakota] #189659
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Perfectly normal. In cooler weather it builds faster than in warm. Only cure is to drive the vehicle till it is thoroughly warmed up (not just the gauge reading) which only tells the coolant temp but not the system temp. everything has to have a chance to get to operating temperature and for long enough for condesants to be evaporated out of the system. Condensation is a natural thing for any internal combustion engine and really not just in cold temperatures. They are just more prevalent and harder to get rid of the colder it is. Another reason for frequent oil changes in colder temperatures.


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Re: Condensation In Oil? [Re: RangerDan440] #189660
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its been exceptionally cold lately so I guess thats why I thought it seemed it excessive.

I hate winter


68 Valiant 408
69 Charger 318
69 Cougar 351W
70 Torino GT 351C
71 Country Squire 351W
71 Road Runner 440+6
71 Satellite sedan 318
73 Duster 318
73 Challenger 383
77 Grand Prix 455
83 Malibu 9C1 383
84 Delta 88 403
87 Grand National
96 Ram 360
09 Crown Vic
10 Challenger R/T M6
15 Challenger Hellcat M6
Re: Condensation In Oil? [Re: RangerDan440] #189661
01/10/09 06:26 PM
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Thats normal even when driving a lot, I usually block my grill in the winter, warms up quick, and eliminates the condensation in the fill tube + better fuel milage, Dakota with a 4.7.

Re: Condensation In Oil? [Re: RangerDan440] #189662
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Hate winter??? We haven't been over 5 degrees above 0 days and down to 30 below nights for the last 3 weeks or so. Record snow with vertually no place to put it any more. Getting dangerous driving in town because you can't see around intersections.

Re: Condensation In Oil? [Re: RangerDan440] #189663
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its been exceptionally cold lately so I guess thats why I thought it seemed it excessive.

I hate winter





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On the 4.7 they make a rerouted PCV for the 4.7 to fix that problem. However, if you just switch to Synthetic fluids, it'll fix itself in a couple of oil changes.

Re: Condensation In Oil? [Re: RangerDan440] #189664
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One thing I've noticed driving high mileage beaters is, the more worn they are/the more blowby they have....the more moisture seems to end up in there. My '83 5th Avenue 318 was the worst I've ever seen, I'd have to pull the stick 10 times to get all the gunk off...however it had 210,000 miles on it and didn't owe me anything. My 2005 Neon with 34,000 miles has nothing visible yet but it probably will when it ages.

Re: Condensation In Oil? [Re: Fluffy] #189665
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its been exceptionally cold lately so I guess thats why I thought it seemed it excessive.

I hate winter





Weenie.


On the 4.7 they make a rerouted PCV for the 4.7 to fix that problem. However, if you just switch to Synthetic fluids, it'll fix itself in a couple of oil changes.


Synthetic oil does not cure condensation. Condensation will occur no matter what oil you have and it will contaminate it just as much. Don't kid you self.

Re: Condensation In Oil? [Re: MoparforLife] #189666
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Hate winter??? We haven't been over 5 degrees above 0 days and down to 30 below nights for the last 3 weeks or so. Record snow with vertually no place to put it any more. Getting dangerous driving in town because you can't see around intersections.




Kinda sounds like Canada from Sept to June.

Always seem to see more moisture here during the colder weather. We have one forklift at work that is particularly bad for it because they run it about 5 minutes at a time about 3 times a day.
Always white gunk on the dipstick when you check it.


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Re: Condensation In Oil? [Re: RangerDan440] #189668
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The Jeep Liberty's do the same thing, nasty yellow/white crap in the filler cap, we were told that's normal...







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