|
Re: Peeling clearcoat fix ?
[Re: JohnRR]
#1895805
08/20/15 10:21 AM
08/20/15 10:21 AM
|
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 75,005
U.S.S.A.
JohnRR
OP
I Win
|
OP
I Win
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 75,005
U.S.S.A.
|
Looks like a hot rod black truck is in my future then ?
It's got 326,000 miles on it and painting it is not going to happen ...
thanks
running up my post count some more .
|
|
|
Re: Peeling clearcoat fix ?
[Re: JohnRR]
#1895832
08/20/15 11:19 AM
08/20/15 11:19 AM
|
Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 1,568
Omaha, Nebraska
Scott Carl
pro stock
|
pro stock
Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 1,568
Omaha, Nebraska
|
Sorry for the hijak, but this is why I will never use clear coat again. Single stage only for me. My '92 Dakota and '98 Ram both had bad clear coat failure. Wondering when the '03 Durango and '11 Nitro will start. Is there a prevention measure? I don't have a garage (that can be parked in  ) Scott
|
|
|
Re: Peeling clearcoat fix ?
[Re: Scott Carl]
#1895836
08/20/15 11:21 AM
08/20/15 11:21 AM
|
Joined: Dec 2007
Posts: 19,900
Puttin' on the foil in Charles...
not_a_charger
Mr. Big Shot Moparts Moderator
|
Mr. Big Shot Moparts Moderator
Joined: Dec 2007
Posts: 19,900
Puttin' on the foil in Charles...
|
Chrysler and GM have had significant problems at times with delaminating clear coats, and in some cases, delaminating base coats, but that's a reflection on their paint suppliers and their prep/paint process and equipment, not on base/clear finishes in general.
I'd never spend my time and money painting something single stage unless I was doing an OE resto. Just my $.02.
Earning every penny of that moderator paycheck.
DBAP
|
|
|
Re: Peeling clearcoat fix ?
[Re: not_a_charger]
#1895851
08/20/15 11:58 AM
08/20/15 11:58 AM
|
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 75,005
U.S.S.A.
JohnRR
OP
I Win
|
OP
I Win
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 75,005
U.S.S.A.
|
Hot rod black is probably the smart move if A) the peeling clear bothers you, and B) you want it fixed on the cheap. That would be yes to both , I could even just sand it and single stage it. It's pretty much rust free just a bunch of scratches and dings ... maybe I'll revisit the roll your own paint thread?
|
|
|
Re: Peeling clearcoat fix ?
[Re: not_a_charger]
#1895900
08/20/15 01:38 PM
08/20/15 01:38 PM
|
Joined: Apr 2012
Posts: 18,880
-
RSNOMO
Moparts Torchbearer
|
Moparts Torchbearer
Joined: Apr 2012
Posts: 18,880
-
|
Chrysler and GM have had significant problems at times with delaminating clear coats, and in some cases, delaminating base coats, but that's a reflection on their paint suppliers and their prep/paint process and equipment, not on base/clear finishes in general.
I'd never spend my time and money painting something single stage unless I was doing an OE resto. Just my $.02. That's a fact... Got over 20 years on a B/C spray... It's doing fine...
|
|
|
Re: Peeling clearcoat fix ?
[Re: JohnRR]
#1895901
08/20/15 01:41 PM
08/20/15 01:41 PM
|
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 15,134
Kelowna, B.C. Canada
DPelletier
I Live Here
|
I Live Here
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 15,134
Kelowna, B.C. Canada
|
flat black would kill any residual value the truck may have IMO. Here's another option for you; my daughter has a 1999 Saturn SC2 which, as you can guess, isn't exactly a high dollar car so repainting it was out of the question.....still, the paint was decent except for some clear that peeled off the decklid and spoiler and a bunch of scratches she put on it with SOS pads trying to remove the stickers....kids.
Anyhow, I took it to a detailer that does work for all the local dealerships and he removed the decals and applied a "Shine-A-Rama" clearcoat....which is some sort of hand applied clear and buffing process. Car looks GREAT. total cost? $574.00
...after seeing the results, one of my trucks (the 2003 Ram) is down getting the same thing done. I'm sure it's "soft" compared to the factory clear but even if I had to do it every 2 or 3 years, it's cheap compared to a $10k+ paintjob.
Cheers,
Dave
1970 Super Bee 440 Six Pack
1974 'Cuda
2008 Ram 3500 Diesel
2006 Ram 3500 Diesel
2004.5 Ram 2500 Diesel
2003 Ram 3500 Diesel
2006 Durango Limited
[url] http://1970superbee.piczo.com [/url]
|
|
|
Re: Peeling clearcoat fix ?
[Re: JohnRR]
#1895917
08/20/15 02:13 PM
08/20/15 02:13 PM
|
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 5,108
Chicago Blackhawks
hemicar1971
master
|
master
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 5,108
Chicago Blackhawks
|
It is a 20 to 50 footer and who is really going to cut you up for owning a truck. The more it peels the less people will park close to you putting in more dents and dings, they will be think this guy is a cowboy and I an not parking next to him. One other way is to wrap the truck. Then you could put a FM3 wrap on your truck with FC7, FJ5 stripes, I like to see you in that Mr. Johnny.
1971 HEMI E BODY REGISTRY
|
|
|
Re: Peeling clearcoat fix ?
[Re: Scott Carl]
#1895929
08/20/15 02:33 PM
08/20/15 02:33 PM
|
Joined: Oct 2003
Posts: 21,345
Marysville, O-H-I-O
70Cuda383
Too Many Posts
|
Too Many Posts
Joined: Oct 2003
Posts: 21,345
Marysville, O-H-I-O
|
Sorry for the hijak, but this is why I will never use clear coat again. Single stage only for me. My '92 Dakota and '98 Ram both had bad clear coat failure. Wondering when the '03 Durango and '11 Nitro will start. Is there a prevention measure? I don't have a garage (that can be parked in ) Scott whatever suits your fancy; poor quality materials and marginal prep will result in peeling no matter if you use bc/cc or if you use single stage. Use the same "cheapest available paint that lasts long enough to get out of warranty period" and the same "fastest prep possible...we got 2000 cars to paint today" prep methods, and your coveted single stage will peel too. 
**Photobucket sucks**
|
|
|
Re: Peeling clearcoat fix ?
[Re: DPelletier]
#1895941
08/20/15 02:51 PM
08/20/15 02:51 PM
|
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 75,005
U.S.S.A.
JohnRR
OP
I Win
|
OP
I Win
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 75,005
U.S.S.A.
|
flat black would kill any residual value the truck may have IMO. Here's another option for you; my daughter has a 1999 Saturn SC2 which, as you can guess, isn't exactly a high dollar car so repainting it was out of the question.....still, the paint was decent except for some clear that peeled off the decklid and spoiler and a bunch of scratches she put on it with SOS pads trying to remove the stickers....kids.
Anyhow, I took it to a detailer that does work for all the local dealerships and he removed the decals and applied a "Shine-A-Rama" clearcoat....which is some sort of hand applied clear and buffing process. Car looks GREAT. total cost? $574.00
...after seeing the results, one of my trucks (the 2003 Ram) is down getting the same thing done. I'm sure it's "soft" compared to the factory clear but even if I had to do it every 2 or 3 years, it's cheap compared to a $10k+ paintjob.
Cheers,
Dave I only paid $3500 for it so I'm not to worried about the residual value ;), it's got 325k on it. I'll look into that, it'll bug me after a while and I don't want to make it look too nice , just all the same shades of color. I'll have my painter friend look at it and see what he thinks. I looked in that, it looks like that is something special in your area only ?
|
|
|
Re: Peeling clearcoat fix ?
[Re: JohnRR]
#1895979
08/20/15 03:38 PM
08/20/15 03:38 PM
|
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 1,751
Graham, WA
Polarapete
top fuel
|
top fuel
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 1,751
Graham, WA
|
I like the color that is on your truck right now, but I am partial to maroon shades. My '64 Polara was close to that from the factory and was repainted with a GM color called "Clementine Metallic" before I bought it.
Anyway, I remember someone telling me years ago "when you buy a new truck the first thing you do is take a fistful of nails in your hand, stick it in the paint and walk all the way around the truck and then you never give the paint another thought". But then, I was born in Montana and there your truck earns it's keep.
1986 Dodge Ramcharger 440 2wd, Bracket Racer Under Construction
1998 Ram 2500 QuadCab, new daily driver.
2008 Honda Element
2014 Carry-On 7x14 Cargo Trailer
|
|
|
Re: Peeling clearcoat fix ?
[Re: 70Cuda383]
#1896208
08/20/15 09:51 PM
08/20/15 09:51 PM
|
Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 1,568
Omaha, Nebraska
Scott Carl
pro stock
|
pro stock
Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 1,568
Omaha, Nebraska
|
Sorry for the hijak, but this is why I will never use clear coat again. Single stage only for me. My '92 Dakota and '98 Ram both had bad clear coat failure. Wondering when the '03 Durango and '11 Nitro will start. Is there a prevention measure? I don't have a garage (that can be parked in ) Scott whatever suits your fancy; poor quality materials and marginal prep will result in peeling no matter if you use bc/cc or if you use single stage. Use the same "cheapest available paint that lasts long enough to get out of warranty period" and the same "fastest prep possible...we got 2000 cars to paint today" prep methods, and your coveted single stage will peel too. Point taken I agree on the prep work for sure, and while I have never painted a car, (rattled canned a couple bikes) I know you get what you pay for in paint. Just seems the factory(s) really dropped the ball there for a while. Hopefully they have found the error of their ways BTW, Good looking truck, John! 
|
|
|
Re: Peeling clearcoat fix ?
[Re: JohnRR]
#1896283
08/20/15 11:39 PM
08/20/15 11:39 PM
|
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 8,395
Highland, MI.
Sunroofcuda
master
|
master
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 8,395
Highland, MI.
|
What were the years they switched to water-based paints? I know Neons were painted with this & the stuff was pure garbage. Everything peeled on them after a few years.
No Man With A Good Car Needs To Be Justified
|
|
|
Re: Peeling clearcoat fix ?
[Re: Sunroofcuda]
#1896389
08/21/15 08:22 AM
08/21/15 08:22 AM
|
Joined: Dec 2007
Posts: 19,900
Puttin' on the foil in Charles...
not_a_charger
Mr. Big Shot Moparts Moderator
|
Mr. Big Shot Moparts Moderator
Joined: Dec 2007
Posts: 19,900
Puttin' on the foil in Charles...
|
What were the years they switched to water-based paints? I know Neons were painted with this & the stuff was pure garbage. Everything peeled on them after a few years. Water based paints are perfectly fine. The vast majority of collision repair facilities are using them now, too, not just the OEMs. Any OEM finishes that were peeling were a result of that particular paint supplier, the OEM's prep/refinishing process and equipment, or both. It has nothing to do with base/clear vs. single stage, waterborne vs. solventborne, etc.... GM and Chrysler's delamination issues predate the introduction of waterborne paint by several years.
Earning every penny of that moderator paycheck.
DBAP
|
|
|
|
|
