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Re: MUSCLE MOTORS 30 MIN ENGINE
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06/28/15 03:31 AM
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Is that at .050?
Is it installed that was or advanced or retarded? Yes, That's at .050. I'm not sure how MM installed it. I was going to check how it was installed and If it was installed straight up I was going to try advancing it to increase cylinder pressure. I will be pulling engine next week and get it ready to return to MM. If your correct on your specs your @ 4* advanced installed at a 110 ICL with a 114 LSA cam with a intake duration of 283 @ .050 and a exhaust duration of 295 @ .050 Yes. Cam card reads .050 duration at 283/295 on a 114 LSA installed at 110 . Duration at .020 is 314/330.
PSO headed 632 from MM. Cracked cylinder, loose valve seats, low oil pressure, low cylinder pressure.
..... Now its a door stop....
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Re: MUSCLE MOTORS 30 MIN ENGINE
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06/28/15 05:42 AM
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Re: MUSCLE MOTORS 30 MIN ENGINE
[Re: MuscleMike]
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10/14/15 04:08 PM
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All I want is for Mr. Edwards to be enjoying his car. That being said, you don't buy something from Home Depot, have an issue and take it to Lowes to have it fixed and send Home Depot the bill. Obviously We are under a micro scope and it is in our best interest to bring this situation to a speedy conclusion. For the record: I, Michael Ware, owner of Muscle Motors will bring the engine back here, replace the bent valve, verify and adjust guide clearance if necessary.
I suspect that the lifters may have excessive clearance causieng the low oil pressure at idle. We will completely disassemble the engine and using a BHJ fixture install lifter bushings and hone for correct sizing again no charge. Mr Edwards also wanted a different type of retainer, We will change those at no cost to Mr Edwards. We will then have the engine shipped back to Mr Edwards and we will absorb the shipping charges. I believe this a fair and amicable offer. UPDATE...MM recieved engine early July and as of Oct 14th still have it . So much for a speedy conclusion... Heres what we agreed on doing / have corrected. Replace Retainers Repair dropped valve seat and inspect heads New cam, hoping to increase cylinder pressure Replace REV valves with Ferrera ( my choice and I will pay for) Bush and hone lifter bores to fit Endura X lifters ( my choice and I will pay for) Reassemble and dyno
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PSO headed 632 from MM. Cracked cylinder, loose valve seats, low oil pressure, low cylinder pressure.
..... Now its a door stop....
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Re: MUSCLE MOTORS 30 MIN ENGINE
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10/14/15 05:04 PM
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All I want is for Mr. Edwards to be enjoying his car. That being said, you don't buy something from Home Depot, have an issue and take it to Lowes to have it fixed and send Home Depot the bill. Obviously We are under a micro scope and it is in our best interest to bring this situation to a speedy conclusion. For the record: I, Michael Ware, owner of Muscle Motors will bring the engine back here, replace the bent valve, verify and adjust guide clearance if necessary.
I suspect that the lifters may have excessive clearance causieng the low oil pressure at idle. We will completely disassemble the engine and using a BHJ fixture install lifter bushings and hone for correct sizing again no charge. Mr Edwards also wanted a different type of retainer, We will change those at no cost to Mr Edwards. We will then have the engine shipped back to Mr Edwards and we will absorb the shipping charges. I believe this a fair and amicable offer. UPDATE...MM recieved engine early July and as of Oct 14th still have it . So much for a speedy conclusion... WOW!!!!!!!!!!! This is just a plan crazy amount of of time for an issue someone wants to get off the books. This may be apples to oranges in comparison but went I build a 8-9 second drag race engine my local machine shop has the block for 7-10 days max (sometimes quicker) and it takes me approximately 3 days to check all clearances, file fit rings, degree in the cam, assemble the short block, and set up the heads and finish the block. And I'm a one man shop doing it for enjoyment. Get the man his engine back as this is really making you and your business look BAD.
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Re: MUSCLE MOTORS 30 MIN ENGINE
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10/14/15 05:16 PM
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My local machine shop has had my stuff nearly a year, I did finally get the block back now just waiting on the crank. I have rarely seen any machine shop get stuff done when they are supposed, almost never is anything done quickly.
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Re: MUSCLE MOTORS 30 MIN ENGINE
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10/14/15 07:01 PM
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That is ridiculous Steve. You would think Muscle Motors would want to resolve this quickly and try to make you happy. Hope you can get your stuff back and it is in decent enough shape to at least have some fun w/ it. Then, when you recover financially, you can let a shop that knows what they're doing go through it.
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Re: MUSCLE MOTORS 30 MIN ENGINE
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10/14/15 07:03 PM
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My local machine shop has had my stuff nearly a year, I did finally get the block back now just waiting on the crank. I have rarely seen any machine shop get stuff done when they are supposed, almost never is anything done quickly. Wow! Makes me happy with my machinist! Smith Machine here in Wichita had my stuff for less than a month and that included a week lost due to a vendor sending the wrong crank. He hot tanked, bead blasted, decked, bored, align honed the mains and balanced the rotating assembly in less than 3 weeks. On top of all that he is meticulous in his prep and made sure I knew a few nuances and how to handle them.
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Re: MUSCLE MOTORS 30 MIN ENGINE
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10/14/15 07:05 PM
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All I want is for Mr. Edwards to be enjoying his car. That being said, you don't buy something from Home Depot, have an issue and take it to Lowes to have it fixed and send Home Depot the bill. Obviously We are under a micro scope and it is in our best interest to bring this situation to a speedy conclusion. For the record: I, Michael Ware, owner of Muscle Motors will bring the engine back here, replace the bent valve, verify and adjust guide clearance if necessary.
I suspect that the lifters may have excessive clearance causieng the low oil pressure at idle. We will completely disassemble the engine and using a BHJ fixture install lifter bushings and hone for correct sizing again no charge. Mr Edwards also wanted a different type of retainer, We will change those at no cost to Mr Edwards. We will then have the engine shipped back to Mr Edwards and we will absorb the shipping charges. I believe this a fair and amicable offer. UPDATE...MM recieved engine early July and as of Oct 14th still have it . So much for a speedy conclusion... WOW, That's unacceptable.
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Re: MUSCLE MOTORS 30 MIN ENGINE
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10/14/15 07:09 PM
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Miracusley, 2 hours after my update i get this..
Everythings ok...Eric and dyno guy have been sick with the flu and are here now and will be making pulls shortly.
PSO headed 632 from MM. Cracked cylinder, loose valve seats, low oil pressure, low cylinder pressure.
..... Now its a door stop....
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Re: MUSCLE MOTORS 30 MIN ENGINE
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10/14/15 07:41 PM
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Ask for a video or fly out there to see this engine going through the paces on the dyno!! I would want to see it on that dyno for a solid hour at various rpm's and idle before I accept it.
Last edited by ademon; 10/14/15 07:41 PM.
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Re: MUSCLE MOTORS 30 MIN ENGINE
[Re: fullmetaljacket]
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10/14/15 08:14 PM
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No excuses and a FLU that lasted three months? PPPPPPPPPlllllllllllleeeeeeease.
They haven't had the flu for 3 months. Engine was on dyno but HP and TQ nose dived with new cam. Was suppose to be back on dyno last Friday with old cam. Still, too long.... Maybe all is happy now and it will be ready to ship.
PSO headed 632 from MM. Cracked cylinder, loose valve seats, low oil pressure, low cylinder pressure.
..... Now its a door stop....
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Re: MUSCLE MOTORS 30 MIN ENGINE
[Re: steve660]
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10/15/15 05:57 PM
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and the dog ate my homework.
They're busy filling orders that came in AFTER your engine arrived.
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