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Re: Need some Indy cylinder head rocker arm help [Re: BARRACUDA340S] #1843465
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I agree with a previous poster. The blueing on your pushrods isn't from starting it after sitting a long time, it's from lack of proper oiling and the resultant heat. Probably took running it a while to get like that. Nothing is hot in a cold motor, and oil will get upstairs extremely quick, definately isn't the issue you are seeing.
If I were buying new rocker gear, without question I would( and have)use Jesel. They make a setup for W2/W5 Indy stuff. I ran a set trouble free for years. The best out there.


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Re: Need some Indy cylinder head rocker arm help [Re: justinp61] #1843501
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Originally Posted By justinp61
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What length are the push rods?


7.813" oal, 0.160" cup depth the best I can tell with my caliper. I don't have a ball adapter for it. Diameter is 0.315".


I'm coming up with 7.8000 exhaust and 7.9000 intake for pushrod length. The intakes need to be longer. Are all yours the same length?

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Originally Posted By B3422W5
I agree with a previous poster. The blueing on your pushrods isn't from starting it after sitting a long time, it's from lack of proper oiling and the resultant heat. Probably took running it a while to get like that. Nothing is hot in a cold motor, and oil will get upstairs extremely quick, definately isn't the issue you are seeing.
If I were buying new rocker gear, without question I would( and have)use Jesel. They make a setup for W2/W5 Indy stuff. I ran a set trouble free for years. The best out there.



Assuming I had the adjuster ball set right on the rocker which I think I was good there. Also assume that the adjuster ball and push rod were good hardened metal (which I don't really know)What is causing the oil restriction? I have plenty of oil to the top of the motor. Is it just poor rocker design?

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I honestly don't know. But oil isn't getting where it's needed, as is evidenced by the heat on the pushrods. Hopefully someone comes along that can look at your pictures and see exactly where the issue is.


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Re: Need some Indy cylinder head rocker arm help [Re: BARRACUDA340S] #1843581
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Originally Posted By BARRACUDA340S
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What length are the push rods?


7.813" oal, 0.160" cup depth the best I can tell with my caliper. I don't have a ball adapter for it. Diameter is 0.315".


I'm coming up with 7.8000 exhaust and 7.9000 intake for pushrod length. The intakes need to be longer. Are all yours the same length?


Sorry, 7.8025".

Re: Need some Indy cylinder head rocker arm help [Re: BARRACUDA340S] #1843657
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Good to hear about Scotty. Does he still run the duster? My pushrod lengths are different as well. I think its the way the base circles were ground on the cam. My 360-1 heads have different length int. Vs ex valves also. Check the oil galley in your heads to be sure there is not a plug in it. There located in the saddle that the rocker shafts set in. Should be one per head. Might want to turn the oil pump to be sure oil in getting up there.

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I don't know how much racing he's doing these day's but he still has the Duster. I think he's running 10.20's now.

Plenty of oil to the heads. I talked with a guy running the same heads I have and he had the same problem with the Indy rocker arms. He switched to T&D and it solved his problem.

I'd like to know what the differences are between the Indy and T&D set ups.

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Yep. Sounds like an issue with the Indy arms. I use t&d and not sure about differences except better quality in the t&d. Been running them on my 360-1 for about 8yrs with shaft oil plugged off and spraybar oiled only. Some street use with lots of idleing no issues yet. I bought mine from compu-flo for about 750-$800. They list for $1100 last I checked.

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Do the T&D's come with shafts complete?

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yes, complete with mounting hardware as well.

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The pictures seem to show the pushrod cup too high and the oil squirt hole is not getting the oil in the cup.Use a shorter pushrod and screw the adjuster to show more thread body at the pushrod side.Also check your oil volume and shaft orientation.

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Not sure on your Indy's but the t&d recommend one turn in minimum from fully turned out to get the oil hole properly opened up with a max of 2 turns in.

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Is it me or are some of the p-rods bent..............


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Originally Posted By Thumperdart
Is it me or are some of the p-rods bent..............


No, it's not just you Thumper.

Re: Need some Indy cylinder head rocker arm help [Re: mopar dave] #1844314
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Originally Posted By mopar dave
Not sure on your Indy's but the t&d recommend one turn in minimum from fully turned out to get the oil hole properly opened up with a max of 2 turns in.


TD is all different on the oil hole.. the oil comes in from the
the adjuster.. his comes in from a fixed hole in the shaft area
of the rocker... thats one thing thats nice about TD.. all
the oil goes on to the PR(thats allowed for the PR)
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OK. Didn't know that.

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Originally Posted By mopar dave
OK. Didn't know that.


You can see his oil port on his rocker... here is a
set of TD.. they all tend to do the same thing.. just
a matter of single shaft or multi
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Mike are those shaft or pushrod oil?

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I have about 2 threads showing on adjuster and it looked like I had a good orientation for oiling but you could be right. Something heated them up.

Shaft's were installed correctly and real good oiling to the heads.

I tried to get new push rods but that isn't going to happen by Saturday. I have 3 that are fatigued in the cups. We are going to machine the cup and install new adjusters to get me on and off the trailer for the show. Then I'm going T&D, I like that set up much better. I'll have to get new push rods for those anyway so no sense wasting the money for no more than I need to run the car Saturday.

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Originally Posted By justinp61
Mike are those shaft or pushrod oil?


The one I have shown here is a shaft oiling system.. just like
a stock system... but this uses a ball and ball PR
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