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Had someone combing through my Engine compartment #182500 01/03/09 01:29 PM 01/03/09 01:29 PM
Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 4,102 Cochise County Arizona SPWC OP master
SPWC OP master Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 4,102 Cochise County Arizona	Took my Dart out to our weekly cruise night for the first time. Had a Chevy guy going over some stuff in the engine compartment and making comments,I would like to know everyones take on the comments. We are emissions exempt here and the engine is a 1977 225 in a 72 Dart. I have the EGR port at the manifold plugged and the EGR valve reversed,thus blocking it off. This guy told me I should run the EGR as it would make the engine perform better. Then he noticed the steel line coming up from under the firewall that usesd to run to the Charcoal canister,which I took off and threw away. He says I should put it back on so the car will run better with it. Like I said we are emissions exempt,so I took all uneccessary components and tossed them. What do you all think of this Chevy Guys comments?Is he right or should I not even bother with the emissions stuff I took off?

Re: Had someone combing through my Engine compartment [Re: SPWC] #182501 01/03/09 01:32 PM 01/03/09 01:32 PM
Joined: Nov 2007 Posts: 21,822 Kirkland, Washington Pacnorthcuda Too Many Posts
Pacnorthcuda Too Many Posts Joined: Nov 2007 Posts: 21,822 Kirkland, Washington	My guess is that his definition of "run better" and yours are diametrically opposed. Did he have tree marks all over his body from too much embracing?

Re: Had someone combing through my Engine compartment [Re: Pacnorthcuda] #182502 01/03/09 01:40 PM 01/03/09 01:40 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,482 Lake Orion, MI goldduster318 pro stock
goldduster318 pro stock Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,482 Lake Orion, MI	Your car is a 1972 and therefore does not have to have any of the equipment since you're not in California. Your engine will make more power and have better driveablity without the EGR and charcoal canister. '70 Duster 470hp 340/T56 Magnum/8 3/4 3.23 Sure-Grip

Re: Had someone combing through my Engine compartment [Re: goldduster318] #182503 01/03/09 01:52 PM 01/03/09 01:52 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 17,861 albany ny 0 05dakota I Live Here
05dakota I Live Here 0 Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 17,861 albany ny	its still illegal to remove emissions controls.

Re: Had someone combing through my Engine compartment [Re: 05dakota] #182504 01/03/09 02:07 PM 01/03/09 02:07 PM
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SPWC OP master Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 4,102 Cochise County Arizona	Quote: its still illegal to remove emissions controls Even if the engine thats equipped with emissions is installed in a Bodystyle and year of a vehicle that wasnt? For example taking a 1978 Smog 318 and installing it in a 67 Satelitte?

Re: Had someone combing through my Engine compartment [Re: 05dakota] #182505 01/03/09 03:07 PM 01/03/09 03:07 PM
Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 4,319 Puyallup, WA S StealthWedge67 master
StealthWedge67 master S Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 4,319 Puyallup, WA	Quote: its still illegal to remove emissions controls. And it's illigal to remove the tags from your mattress. Chevy guy was most likely a dealer tech that knows little more than what he was taught by Chevy for newer cars. LemonWedge - Street heavy / Strip ready - 11.07 @ 120

Re: Had someone combing through my Engine compartment [Re: SPWC] #182506 01/03/09 03:08 PM 01/03/09 03:08 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 32,929 Grand Prairie,Texas stumpy I Win
stumpy I Win Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 32,929 Grand Prairie,Texas	Smog stuff goes by body year not engine. If you put an older non smog engine in a later smog car you need to install smog equipment. If you go the other way you can remove the smog stuff.

Re: Had someone combing through my Engine compartment [Re: StealthWedge67] #182507 01/03/09 03:17 PM 01/03/09 03:17 PM
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CHRGR69 pro stock C Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 1,534 Florida	And it's illegal to remove the tags from your mattress. It is??? Oh S---! Grandma always said I had "hands of gold"!

Re: Had someone combing through my Engine compartment [Re: Pacnorthcuda] #182508 01/03/09 03:58 PM 01/03/09 03:58 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,186 Wherever I am. J Junky master
Junky master J Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,186 Wherever I am.	Quote: My guess is that his definition of "run better" and yours are diametrically opposed. Did he have tree marks all over his body from too much embracing? That is priceless! Couldn't of said it better. 2010 Black Challenger SE <> 3.5 V6 Custom Shift Knobs www.flameball.com Check It Out

Re: Had someone combing through my Engine compartment [Re: SPWC] #182509 01/03/09 05:10 PM 01/03/09 05:10 PM
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 36,040 Lincoln Nebraska R RapidRobert Circle Track
RapidRobert Circle Track R Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 36,040 Lincoln Nebraska	Quote: which I took off and threw away. What do you all think of this Chevy Guys comments? Throw the chebby guy out of your garage, problem solved live every 24 hour block of time like it's your last day on earth

Re: Had someone combing through my Engine compartment [Re: SPWC] #182510 01/03/09 05:15 PM 01/03/09 05:15 PM
Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 16,146 Mesa, Arizona D dart4forte I Live Here
dart4forte I Live Here D Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 16,146 Mesa, Arizona	Tell the Chivie guy to go pound sand!!!!

Re: Had someone combing through my Engine compartment [Re: RapidRobert] #182511 01/03/09 05:19 PM 01/03/09 05:19 PM
Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 3,691 MO C cdp master
cdp master C Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 3,691 MO	Or, buy the GM's guys correct emissions vehicle and give your Mopar away. You saved the enviroment and made the GM guy happy. Our goal in life is to make everyone else happy...right?

Re: Had someone combing through my Engine compartment [Re: SPWC] #182512 01/03/09 06:59 PM 01/03/09 06:59 PM
Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 2,587 missouri, USA moparmojo master
moparmojo master Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 2,587 missouri, USA	Well I know I'll get blasted for this, but I saw a program a while back where they were discussing just this issue, whether to dump the emmissions stuff. The guy on the show was real informative and gave numerous straight forward reasons why it was better to leave it on. I honestly cant remember any of them, I just recall turning off the program thinking my opinion had changed as I thought that dumping it was a no brainer beforehand. Maybe some more knowledgable experts here can sort of discuss this more specifically.

Re: Had someone combing through my Engine compartment [Re: moparmojo] #182513 01/03/09 07:06 PM 01/03/09 07:06 PM
Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 4,319 Puyallup, WA S StealthWedge67 master
StealthWedge67 master S Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 4,319 Puyallup, WA	Quote: Well I know I'll get blasted for this, but I saw a program a while back where they were discussing just this issue, whether to dump the emmissions stuff. The guy on the show was real informative and gave numerous straight forward reasons why it was better to leave it on. I honestly cant remember any of them, I just recall turning off the program thinking my opinion had changed as I thought that dumping it was a no brainer beforehand. Maybe some more knowledgable experts here can sort of discuss this more specifically. Consider this your first blast.... carefully take the hook out of your cheek. just messin wicha' Last edited by GEnsrud; 01/03/09 07:07 PM. LemonWedge - Street heavy / Strip ready - 11.07 @ 120

Re: Had someone combing through my Engine compartment [Re: moparmojo] #182514 01/03/09 07:07 PM 01/03/09 07:07 PM
Joined: Nov 2007 Posts: 21,822 Kirkland, Washington Pacnorthcuda Too Many Posts
Pacnorthcuda Too Many Posts Joined: Nov 2007 Posts: 21,822 Kirkland, Washington	Some emissions equipment does not have a downside other than cluttering up the bay. Things like The charcoal canister, Air aspirator tubes/valves, and PCVs. Others rob power like smog pumps Others prevent max power from being produced like EGR valves, Catalytic converters. The above is only some of the old school stuff, on a 'modern car' (like anything post 85 ) the paraphenalia can be mindboggling and removing it difficult.

Re: Had someone combing through my Engine compartment [Re: SPWC] #182515 01/03/09 07:11 PM 01/03/09 07:11 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 942 Virginia, US R RTDaddy super street
RTDaddy super street R Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 942 Virginia, US	The only way anyone is going to make comments like that about my stuff is if they have cash in hand and are buying. Otherwise, take a hike. "IF YOU'RE UNDER CONTROL, YOU AIN'T GOING FAST ENOUGH."

Re: Had someone combing through my Engine compartment [Re: Pacnorthcuda] #182516 01/03/09 08:29 PM 01/03/09 08:29 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 10,968 Hampton, Ga. 7 70dart360 Green Meister
70dart360 Green Meister 7 Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 10,968 Hampton, Ga.	Quote: Others prevent max power from being produced like EGR valves I call BS on that one, an EGR cools cylinder temp therefore making an engine run more cleaner and more efficient. Producing more power. As far as a charcoal cannister and the smog pump, they pull an engine down. Ditch them if ya can. 70 Dart Swinger 72 D-100 440 shortbed 76 Pinto, 68k 21mpg!

Re: Had someone combing through my Engine compartment [Re: 70dart360] #182517 01/03/09 08:34 PM 01/03/09 08:34 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 4,587 St. John's Newfoundland 440newport master
440newport master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 4,587 St. John's Newfoundland	Quote: Quote: Others prevent max power from being produced like EGR valves I call BS on that one, an EGR cools cylinder temp therefore making an engine run more cleaner and more efficient. Producing more power. As far as a charcoal cannister and the smog pump, they pull an engine down. Ditch them if ya can. If EGR's made power wouldn't most guys run one? It actually does the opposite, hot exhaust gas entering the intake heats up the incoming charge and basically pollutes the mixture. Even most oem egr setups shut off the egr at wot/under high load because it robs power or at least can cause pinging/detonation.

Re: Had someone combing through my Engine compartment [Re: SPWC] #182518 01/03/09 08:40 PM 01/03/09 08:40 PM
Joined: Apr 2003 Posts: 821 On the open road Hrtbkr super stock
Hrtbkr super stock Joined: Apr 2003 Posts: 821 On the open road	I see Chevy guy's lips move, but I've trained myself not to hear While outside on the turnpike They got this new hit tune Where thrills become as cheap as gas And gas as cheap as thrills

Re: Had someone combing through my Engine compartment [Re: SPWC] #182519 01/03/09 08:56 PM 01/03/09 08:56 PM
Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 4,384 Madison Wi NTOLERANCE master
NTOLERANCE master Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 4,384 Madison Wi	Quote: Took my Dart out to our weekly cruise night for the first time. Had a Chevy guy going over some stuff in the engine compartment and making comments,I would like to know everyones take on the comments. Mustve been Al Gore checking your care out. Funny I thought he drove a Hyundai. Just remove the rest of the evidence of the charcoal canister and get a EGR block off plate. Then tell the Chevy guy that the car ran worse when you put those parts back on, and you found out it wasnt supposed to have them because its a 1972. I used to care but....... things have changed

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