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Advice on Bolt-on Replacement for my Original 71 Cuda Carb. #1811909
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Time to replace that 45 year old 340 Thermoquad and would like some advice on a direct bolt on replacement. I would rather stick with a Holley or Edelbrock. Car still has it's original intake as well.

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1968 Barracuda Fastback 318-2BBL 904 2.76 Frost Blue Survivor
1970 Roadrunner 440+6 BBL 727 AT 4.10 SG Dana Blue Fire Metallic
1971 Cuda 340-4 BBL 4spd 3.91 SG Curious Yellow
1972 Barracuda 318-2 BBL 904 AT 3.23 1 Legger Tor Red/White Vinyl Top
2007 Dodge Ram 1500 5.7 Hemi AT Patriot Blue
2011 Dodge Challenger RT 5.7 Hemi 6spd 392 SG Triple Black
2014 Dodge Charger RT Max AWD 5.7 Hemi AT 305 Billet Silver
Re: Advice on Bolt-on Replacement for my Original 71 Cuda Carb. [Re: TimS] #1811944
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Age doesn't make it obsolete, what's your reason for replacing it instead of rebuilding it?

Not knowing anything else about the issues you are having and assuming a replacement is the only thing you'd consider, I'd try the new Demon carb (basically a modern Thermo-Quad).

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Re: Advice on Bolt-on Replacement for my Original 71 Cuda Carb. [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #1812078
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I've rebuilt it a couple of times in the 25 years or so that I've owned the car. Beyond it being a 45 year old carb and the phenolic body issues this style carb is known for, I would prefer a more modern carb for a car I've been driving to Mopar events extensive distances. My issues with it over the years have to due with leakage in the gasket areas below and above the body.


1968 Barracuda Fastback 318-2BBL 904 2.76 Frost Blue Survivor
1970 Roadrunner 440+6 BBL 727 AT 4.10 SG Dana Blue Fire Metallic
1971 Cuda 340-4 BBL 4spd 3.91 SG Curious Yellow
1972 Barracuda 318-2 BBL 904 AT 3.23 1 Legger Tor Red/White Vinyl Top
2007 Dodge Ram 1500 5.7 Hemi AT Patriot Blue
2011 Dodge Challenger RT 5.7 Hemi 6spd 392 SG Triple Black
2014 Dodge Charger RT Max AWD 5.7 Hemi AT 305 Billet Silver
Re: Advice on Bolt-on Replacement for my Original 71 Cuda Carb. [Re: TimS] #1812118
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Have Scott rebuild it, it will be better than new. Other than that I would go with the one pictured above, or a 750 vacuum secondary holley or the new 800 cfm AVS.

Re: Advice on Bolt-on Replacement for my Original 71 Cuda Carb. [Re: TimS] #1812123
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The plastic body issues you have heard of are primarily a myth. Most plastic body cracks or other issues are related to a ham fisted mechanic trying to pry one apart and cracking it without removing all of the screws first (one is a bit hidden). The leaking issues you have had sound float level or needle and seat related (over full bowls cause fuel to purge out of the top and other areas), a problem you can have with any carb.

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Re: Advice on Bolt-on Replacement for my Original 71 Cuda Carb. [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #1812251
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Originally Posted By ScottSmith_Harms
The plastic body issues you have heard of are primarily a myth. Most plastic body cracks or other issues are related to a ham fisted mechanic trying to pry one apart and cracking it without removing all of the screws first (one is a bit hidden). The leaking issues you have had sound float level or needle and seat related (over full bowls cause fuel to purge out of the top and other areas), a problem you can have with any carb.

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I agree that could be. Giving more thought this morning I'm going to go ahead and rebuild the original. Any idea on kit # for the 71 Cuda carb which I believe is an 800 CFM not 850 as the later years are? Thanks.


1968 Barracuda Fastback 318-2BBL 904 2.76 Frost Blue Survivor
1970 Roadrunner 440+6 BBL 727 AT 4.10 SG Dana Blue Fire Metallic
1971 Cuda 340-4 BBL 4spd 3.91 SG Curious Yellow
1972 Barracuda 318-2 BBL 904 AT 3.23 1 Legger Tor Red/White Vinyl Top
2007 Dodge Ram 1500 5.7 Hemi AT Patriot Blue
2011 Dodge Challenger RT 5.7 Hemi 6spd 392 SG Triple Black
2014 Dodge Charger RT Max AWD 5.7 Hemi AT 305 Billet Silver
Re: Advice on Bolt-on Replacement for my Original 71 Cuda Carb. [Re: TimS] #1812272
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Here's a good read on Thermo-Quads, the Vaanth Guide offers a good baseline education on their history

http://members.shaw.ca/crussel/thermoquad/tqguide.html

In answer to your questions, there were two production TQ sizes, 800 & 850, (this excludes the Competition Series TQ's produced in 1969 and 1970 which were 850 & 1000cfm, sold over the counter only typically for racing).

Basically 800's were used on factory small blocks and 850's were used on factory big blocks.

I recommend kits from either Daytona Carburetor or www.walkerproducts.com

Re: Advice on Bolt-on Replacement for my Original 71 Cuda Carb. [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #1812580
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Originally Posted By ScottSmith_Harms
Here's a good read on Thermo-Quads, the Vaanth Guide offers a good baseline education on their history

http://members.shaw.ca/crussel/thermoquad/tqguide.html

In answer to your questions, there were two production TQ sizes, 800 & 850, (this excludes the Competition Series TQ's produced in 1969 and 1970 which were 850 & 1000cfm, sold over the counter only typically for racing).

Basically 800's were used on factory small blocks and 850's were used on factory big blocks.

I recommend kits from either Daytona Carburetor or www.walkerproducts.com


Thanks for the info. I've been going back and forth on this, especially when I discovered today that I do not have the original carb on my Cuda. Over the years I thought I did. In looking at my records I last rebuilt that carb in 1994. It's actually a 9014S, an 850 big block thermoquad for a 74. Thinking about that Demon you suggested. Was also looking at a 600CFM 1406 Edelbrock square bore.


1968 Barracuda Fastback 318-2BBL 904 2.76 Frost Blue Survivor
1970 Roadrunner 440+6 BBL 727 AT 4.10 SG Dana Blue Fire Metallic
1971 Cuda 340-4 BBL 4spd 3.91 SG Curious Yellow
1972 Barracuda 318-2 BBL 904 AT 3.23 1 Legger Tor Red/White Vinyl Top
2007 Dodge Ram 1500 5.7 Hemi AT Patriot Blue
2011 Dodge Challenger RT 5.7 Hemi 6spd 392 SG Triple Black
2014 Dodge Charger RT Max AWD 5.7 Hemi AT 305 Billet Silver
Re: Advice on Bolt-on Replacement for my Original 71 Cuda Carb. [Re: TimS] #1812841
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I have a Holley 82751 750HP that I bought through Autozone when they had a 20% off sale (the code only works on that carb). My street 383 runs great with the carb right out of the box.

The 82751 has no choke with mechanical secondary's. Autozone has a $35 gift card with every $100 spent with free shipping. Yes the carb is $549, but with $175 in gift cards (if you like shopping at Autozone) brings it down to $375.

Jegs or Summit should match that price.

https://www.holley.com/products/fuel_systems/carburetors/hp/street_hp/parts/0-82751


Re: Advice on Bolt-on Replacement for my Original 71 Cuda Carb. [Re: TimS] #1813265
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There are several carbs that would work well for that combo but the spreadbore intake is a complication. (I'm assuming it is a spreadbore intake)

So you might want to change intakes at the same time then use a small Edelbrock AFB/AVS carb.

Re: Advice on Bolt-on Replacement for my Original 71 Cuda Carb. [Re: TimS] #1813416
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You realize that nothing is going to be a "bolt on" replacement except another Thermoquad. Choke and fuel lines come to mine as well as linkage adapters and if you have cruise control you have to mod that too.

Someone linked Walker Products above, they sell brand new plastic bodies if you really need one.


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Re: Advice on Bolt-on Replacement for my Original 71 Cuda Carb. [Re: Supercuda] #1814425
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Originally Posted By Supercuda
You realize that nothing is going to be a "bolt on" replacement except another Thermoquad. Choke and fuel lines come to mine as well as linkage adapters and if you have cruise control you have to mod that too.

Someone linked Walker Products above, they sell brand new plastic bodies if you really need one.


Yes I realize nothing is going to be a total direct bolt on. My comment with that was to get something that would bolt to the intake without an adapter, as I would have to use with a square bore carb. Any carb I use may or may not need linkage adapters or fuel line fitting mods. Choke isn't a problem as I would use an electric on a new carb but would have to run some wire to hook that up.

When I looked up a rebuild kit for my present quad I did see that Walker sells the body for around 100 bucks. I was surprised at that. If I run into an issue with mine, that would be a good alternative as well.


1968 Barracuda Fastback 318-2BBL 904 2.76 Frost Blue Survivor
1970 Roadrunner 440+6 BBL 727 AT 4.10 SG Dana Blue Fire Metallic
1971 Cuda 340-4 BBL 4spd 3.91 SG Curious Yellow
1972 Barracuda 318-2 BBL 904 AT 3.23 1 Legger Tor Red/White Vinyl Top
2007 Dodge Ram 1500 5.7 Hemi AT Patriot Blue
2011 Dodge Challenger RT 5.7 Hemi 6spd 392 SG Triple Black
2014 Dodge Charger RT Max AWD 5.7 Hemi AT 305 Billet Silver
Re: Advice on Bolt-on Replacement for my Original 71 Cuda Carb. [Re: AndyF] #1814426
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Originally Posted By AndyF
There are several carbs that would work well for that combo but the spreadbore intake is a complication. (I'm assuming it is a spreadbore intake)

So you might want to change intakes at the same time then use a small Edelbrock AFB/AVS carb.


Yes it is the original spread bore intake. I got a Walker rebuild kit but I'm still mulling the 625 Demon carb. Looks like a good possibility for a bolt on replacement being spread bore.


1968 Barracuda Fastback 318-2BBL 904 2.76 Frost Blue Survivor
1970 Roadrunner 440+6 BBL 727 AT 4.10 SG Dana Blue Fire Metallic
1971 Cuda 340-4 BBL 4spd 3.91 SG Curious Yellow
1972 Barracuda 318-2 BBL 904 AT 3.23 1 Legger Tor Red/White Vinyl Top
2007 Dodge Ram 1500 5.7 Hemi AT Patriot Blue
2011 Dodge Challenger RT 5.7 Hemi 6spd 392 SG Triple Black
2014 Dodge Charger RT Max AWD 5.7 Hemi AT 305 Billet Silver
Re: Advice on Bolt-on Replacement for my Original 71 Cuda Carb. [Re: TimS] #1814528
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As mentioned there are several good choices. You brought up the 1406 eddy. I had one on a DD 318 & it ran flawless. you DO need a strip kit to go with it (it's lean as is) & the flat plate (cheap) to cover the intake spread bore flange. Only caveat with em, reg the psi (if needed) to ~5 or so


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Re: Advice on Bolt-on Replacement for my Original 71 Cuda Carb. [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #1815796
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Originally Posted By ScottSmith_Harms
Age doesn't make it obsolete, what's your reason for replacing it instead of rebuilding it?

Not knowing anything else about the issues you are having and assuming a replacement is the only thing you'd consider, I'd try the new Demon carb (basically a modern Thermo-Quad).



Looks like the Demon needs a throttle adapter but I didn't see one when I got on their site. They had them for Fords and GM's.


1968 Barracuda Fastback 318-2BBL 904 2.76 Frost Blue Survivor
1970 Roadrunner 440+6 BBL 727 AT 4.10 SG Dana Blue Fire Metallic
1971 Cuda 340-4 BBL 4spd 3.91 SG Curious Yellow
1972 Barracuda 318-2 BBL 904 AT 3.23 1 Legger Tor Red/White Vinyl Top
2007 Dodge Ram 1500 5.7 Hemi AT Patriot Blue
2011 Dodge Challenger RT 5.7 Hemi 6spd 392 SG Triple Black
2014 Dodge Charger RT Max AWD 5.7 Hemi AT 305 Billet Silver
Re: Advice on Bolt-on Replacement for my Original 71 Cuda Carb. [Re: TimS] #1816117
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Originally Posted By TimS
Originally Posted By ScottSmith_Harms
Age doesn't make it obsolete, what's your reason for replacing it instead of rebuilding it?

Not knowing anything else about the issues you are having and assuming a replacement is the only thing you'd consider, I'd try the new Demon carb (basically a modern Thermo-Quad).



Looks like the Demon needs a throttle adapter but I didn't see one when I got on their site. They had them for Fords and GM's.
https://www.demoncarbs.com/124007.asp

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Originally Posted By Car Nut
Originally Posted By TimS
Originally Posted By ScottSmith_Harms
Age doesn't make it obsolete, what's your reason for replacing it instead of rebuilding it?

Not knowing anything else about the issues you are having and assuming a replacement is the only thing you'd consider, I'd try the new Demon carb (basically a modern Thermo-Quad).



Looks like the Demon needs a throttle adapter but I didn't see one when I got on their site. They had them for Fords and GM's.
https://www.demoncarbs.com/124007.asp



I see. Thanks. I was looking for a bracket similar to the Holleys and Edelbrocks.


1968 Barracuda Fastback 318-2BBL 904 2.76 Frost Blue Survivor
1970 Roadrunner 440+6 BBL 727 AT 4.10 SG Dana Blue Fire Metallic
1971 Cuda 340-4 BBL 4spd 3.91 SG Curious Yellow
1972 Barracuda 318-2 BBL 904 AT 3.23 1 Legger Tor Red/White Vinyl Top
2007 Dodge Ram 1500 5.7 Hemi AT Patriot Blue
2011 Dodge Challenger RT 5.7 Hemi 6spd 392 SG Triple Black
2014 Dodge Charger RT Max AWD 5.7 Hemi AT 305 Billet Silver
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I've been curious about the Street Demon. Has anyone here tried one?


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Originally Posted By Car Nut


That doesn't even look close to right for the kickdown. Throttle only, yeah.

Looks like you need a Holley kickdown linkage adapter for the demon.

https://www.holley.com/products/fuel_systems/carburetor_components/brackets_and_linkage/parts/20-7

Demon talks a game, but can't deliver for Chryslers, something as basic as that should be there on the Demon site.


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Re: Advice on Bolt-on Replacement for my Original 71 Cuda Carb. [Re: zrxkawboy] #1817541
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Originally Posted By zrxkawboy
I've been curious about the Street Demon. Has anyone here tried one?


Good question. Can anyone give any feedback, positive or negative, who has one of these Demon Carbs.

I rebuilt my Thermoquad and still have a bit of fuel oozing ever so slightly around the upper seal, plastic body to upper assembly, along both sides adjacent to the bowls. I double checked my float settings and they are exact as the Walker rebuild kit instructions call for. I've cranked a little more on the bolts when the car has gotten to operating temperature to see if I can get a bit more squeeze out of the seal. That bowl area on the quads just seems to need another screw in that spot on both sides. There is quite a bit of area between the nearest screws. To me anyway.


1968 Barracuda Fastback 318-2BBL 904 2.76 Frost Blue Survivor
1970 Roadrunner 440+6 BBL 727 AT 4.10 SG Dana Blue Fire Metallic
1971 Cuda 340-4 BBL 4spd 3.91 SG Curious Yellow
1972 Barracuda 318-2 BBL 904 AT 3.23 1 Legger Tor Red/White Vinyl Top
2007 Dodge Ram 1500 5.7 Hemi AT Patriot Blue
2011 Dodge Challenger RT 5.7 Hemi 6spd 392 SG Triple Black
2014 Dodge Charger RT Max AWD 5.7 Hemi AT 305 Billet Silver
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