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Exhaust cut outs - worth the tuning work? #1803046
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Ive had Max Wedge type cut outs for a few years...but gave up on using them at the track years ago because of the tuning demands going from street to track.

Im wondering what sort of improvement this type of mod would show if I persevered and decded to start using them again.

- Is the loss of back pressure a deal breaker for any performance gain?

- Is it worth the hassle with a 450hp motor/3500lb car?

- Im running fairly small mid pipes appx 2.5"... but the mufflers are Magaflos...again....is it worth changing my track tune?

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Re: Exhaust cut outs - worth the tuning work? [Re: Moparmal] #1803071
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I bought electric dumps for my Rampage.. I put muffs on that
were quiet enough that I didnt mind driving it but the back
pressure went up.. so now I use the dumps to lower the back
pressure... I'll open them at the track... these are 3" dumps
and a 3" exhaust with dynaflow muffs
wave

Re: Exhaust cut outs - worth the tuning work? [Re: Moparmal] #1803079
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I've always just ran my track tune on the street. What are you changing when you go from track to street?

I bought DMH electric Cutouts for the same reason Mike mentioned, I want to run a quiet fairly restrictive Exhaust system and have the ability to hit a button for more noise/power whenever I feel like it.

Re: Exhaust cut outs - worth the tuning work? [Re: Moparmal] #1803081
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Re: Exhaust cut outs - worth the tuning work? [Re: ProSport] #1803091
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This is what I bought.. I hooked them both up to 1 switch
inside next to the shifter on the counsel
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Kylin-3-Electric...bca&vxp=mtr
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Re: Exhaust cut outs - worth the tuning work? [Re: Moparmal] #1803102
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I have used them on 3 cars. All picked up et w/ them. I used the simple weld in type. They take 5 minutes to remove and I don't have to jack the car up. They gave my mild 440 2.5-3 tenths over the closed exhaust (2.5" w/ headers) On this car they give me 1-1.5 tenths and a little over 1 mph. But this car has a much better exhaust system. I don't know what you mean by "tuning" as I run both the same.


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Re: Exhaust cut outs - worth the tuning work? [Re: Moparmal] #1803103
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With the right Exhaust system you shouldn't lose any ET. But if you want it to be quiet you may lose some.

Re: Exhaust cut outs - worth the tuning work? [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1803111
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Originally Posted By MR_P_BODY
This is what I bought.. I hooked them both up to 1 switch
inside next to the shifter on the counsel
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Kylin-3-Electric...bca&vxp=mtr
wave


That's how mine is, one momentary switch.
Should be fun!


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Re: Exhaust cut outs - worth the tuning work? [Re: Moparmal] #1803117
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Cut-outs have made a huge improvement on every car I have put them on. But there are no tuning differences. Light and part throttle are unaffected by them and why would you have them closed when opening the throttle? You don't have to open them all the way, just enough to let some of the pressure (and decibels) out.

In fact, I often have them cracked open a bit when going to car shows and such. Everyone looks as you pull in, but it is not so loud as to be obnoxious. The fun factor is even greater than the gain in performance for me and I have said here several times that I will never have another muscle car without cut-outs. Even if it is a mild build because they are a lot of fun.


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Re: Exhaust cut outs - worth the tuning work? [Re: ProSport] #1803138
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Originally Posted By ProSport
With the right Exhaust system you shouldn't lose any ET. But if you want it to be quiet you may lose some.


This car is about as loud as I can stand... it sounds great at WOT but driving 51 miles (one way) to the track and back makes my head hurt. no

Re: Exhaust cut outs - worth the tuning work? [Re: Moparmal] #1803141
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I need to find a good spot in my exhaust to put some cutouts, I feel the full exhaust is holding my car back some considering it picked up a few mph with just a muffler change. Changing the mufflers also fixed the reversion and black intake manifold I had as well.

My driveway sucks so I have to be real careful about ground clearance, not sure I can squeeze any of those electric ones in there.


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Re: Exhaust cut outs - worth the tuning work? [Re: Bad340fish] #1803150
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Originally Posted By Bad340fish
I need to find a good spot in my exhaust to put some cutouts, I feel the full exhaust is holding my car back some considering it picked up a few mph with just a muffler change. Changing the mufflers also fixed the reversion and black intake manifold I had as well.

My driveway sucks so I have to be real careful about ground clearance, not sure I can squeeze any of those electric ones in there.


I have the motor section of the dumps pointed upward at about
a 30* angle just for road clearance... I did put the down spouts
on the outlet but I have them pointed inward so they arent a
clearance issue.. when I hit the track in a few weeks I'm gonna
do a open/close test just to see the difference in ET/MPH.. I expect
to see a decent difference... and I'm too lazy to pull the exhaust
off or even get under there to manually pull caps off... flip the
switch... done.. that works for me.. LOL
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Re: Exhaust cut outs - worth the tuning work? [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1803169
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Wade Metzinger has a 68 Barracuda will a full 3" mandrel exhaust system. That car picks up 3 tenths with the exhaust off, so call it .25 for the weight difference of the system. I have a crappy 17 year old muffler shop bent 3" system that goes to 2.5 for the tails. I am sure its costing me something, how much I don't know but hope to find out soon.


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Re: Exhaust cut outs - worth the tuning work? [Re: Moparmal] #1803177
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I took off a couple tenths in the 1/8 mile using cutouts with a mild 440 and 2.5" mandrel-bent exhaust system.

I had a muffler shop make manual cutouts for me and splice them in. My 3" header collectors go to 3" cutouts, then after the cutouts it tapers down to 2.5" right before my 2.5" X pipe.

I don't tune any different for street or track.

Re: Exhaust cut outs - worth the tuning work? [Re: Moparmal] #1803231
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I am going to install some cut outs as well. Does it make a difference where you install them? kinda like an X pipe would or header extensions?

Re: Exhaust cut outs - worth the tuning work? [Re: gtsdude] #1803246
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I went from a 3.5" collector to a 3" cut out and 3" all the
way to the rear.. my muffs are 3" in and out and mounted at
the back bumper ... I installed the cut outs pretty close
to the collectors then the H-pipe after the cut outs.. I was
running out of room to put the H-pipe prior to the cut outs
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Re: Exhaust cut outs - worth the tuning work? [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1803273
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If you have cut outs you can easily fab up a short flanged U to serve as an H pipe for normal driving or bridge an H pipe across it and either remove it or extend the blind flanges to the back of the H, you don't need much more than 5-6" of overall length so it doesn't add much at all in the way of weight.


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Re: Exhaust cut outs - worth the tuning work? [Re: Streetwize] #1803299
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Originally Posted By Streetwize
If you have cut outs you can easily fab up a short flanged U to serve as an H pipe for normal driving or bridge an H pipe across it and either remove it or extend the blind flanges to the back of the H, you don't need much more than 5-6" of overall length so it doesn't add much at all in the way of weight.



I dont have any issue.. but I would have liked it before
the cut outs.. but it is what it is
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Re: Exhaust cut outs - worth the tuning work? [Re: Moparmal] #1803459
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I have used them for 20 years On a low comp car they gave me at least .2+ I find them easy to open and close and if conditions are right you can see up to .4 { but then again this cars exhaust is headers and a messed up system behind it

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Anyone have an idea as to what a full exhaust system from headers to mufflers weighs?


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