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1970 rr help #179756 12/31/08 03:06 PM 12/31/08 03:06 PM
Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 13 USA H hemipowered2 OP member
hemipowered2 OP member H Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 13 USA	my road runner leafspring still won't hook up. i bought all after market parts, and im 1/2 inch from hooking up. do i redrill the holes in the hangers to fit the springs. or keep paying for someone to stare at it for anouther 10 hrs??? 4913013-l_6e5d70e53a761bc545aede1816244905.jpg (62 downloads)

Re: 1970 rr help [Re: hemipowered2] #179757 12/31/08 03:09 PM 12/31/08 03:09 PM
Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 3,407 S.E. Florida, USA rrunner master
rrunner master Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 3,407 S.E. Florida, USA	How about a break down of the parts you bought. If you have super stock springs and are trying to use O.E.M hangers this may very well be your problem.

Re: 1970 rr help [Re: rrunner] #179758 12/31/08 03:21 PM 12/31/08 03:21 PM
Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 13 USA H hemipowered2 OP member
hemipowered2 OP member H Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 13 USA	im using a set of springs from spings and things they are the hemi ones.. not the super stocks. the hangers are a stock replacement.

Re: 1970 rr help [Re: hemipowered2] #179759 12/31/08 03:33 PM 12/31/08 03:33 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 11,854 Georgetown Ontario Canada anlauto I Live Here
anlauto I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 11,854 Georgetown Ontario Canada	Where exactly does it not fit? The rear of the spring or the front of the spring? I'm not sure what you're talking about. The rear suspension should have enough play to move the springs side to side to get everything hooked up? 1/2 inch isn't that far?? *CHECK OUT MY NEW WEB SITE !*

Re: 1970 rr help [Re: hemipowered2] #179760 12/31/08 03:35 PM 12/31/08 03:35 PM
Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 3,407 S.E. Florida, USA rrunner master
rrunner master Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 3,407 S.E. Florida, USA	If everything came from them I would contact them about it first. Never used anything from them myself.

Re: 1970 rr help [Re: anlauto] #179761 12/31/08 04:22 PM 12/31/08 04:22 PM
Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 13 USA H hemipowered2 OP member
hemipowered2 OP member H Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 13 USA	its the front to the back. it won;'t hook into the shackel mount its too far forward. i need to know if removing the tube and moving it forward by 1/2 inch is the right thing to do..... 4913183-l_c54ddd2a632d7df45615df622256d6c1.jpg (66 downloads)

Re: 1970 rr help [Re: hemipowered2] #179762 12/31/08 04:48 PM 12/31/08 04:48 PM
Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 196 Va J junkman member
junkman member J Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 196 Va	i think you need to put rear end housing and springs together then mount the front of the spring to front spring hanger location,then take a jack and jack up the assembly by the center of housing and this should relax the spring to get that extra 1/2" you need, i've had to do this on a couple of sets of superstock springs to get them to hook up. hope this helps

Re: 1970 rr help [Re: junkman] #179763 12/31/08 06:03 PM 12/31/08 06:03 PM
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Anonymous Unregistered A	the junk man is right!!!

Re: 1970 rr help #179764 12/31/08 06:53 PM 12/31/08 06:53 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 20,763 A collage of whims topside Too Many Posts
topside Too Many Posts Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 20,763 A collage of whims	It's way easier to get the old flat springs out than to get the new arched ones in. I've had to put the front bolt in, push the rear shackle as far forward as you can, and put a floor jack under the spring to flatten it a bit. Make sure you don't lift the car off its jack stands.

Re: 1970 rr help [Re: topside] #179765 12/31/08 08:10 PM 12/31/08 08:10 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,567 Ky J jt4406 pro stock
jt4406 pro stock J Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,567 Ky	Maybe you can back the nuts off the front spring hangers until they are flush with the ends of the studs, then pry the hangers rearward to hook up the rear shackels, then tighten the front spring hanger studs back up? jt Yeah, it's hopped up to over 160...

Re: 1970 rr help [Re: jt4406] #179766 01/01/09 09:03 PM 01/01/09 09:03 PM
Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 797 arizona, usa L lokalik super stock
lokalik super stock L Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 797 arizona, usa	you may have dodge springs. they are longer than plymouth.

Re: 1970 rr help [Re: lokalik] #179767 01/02/09 10:49 AM 01/02/09 10:49 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 9,436 Blair County,PA 62maxwgn master
62maxwgn master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 9,436 Blair County,PA	Quote: you may have dodge springs. they are longer than plymouth.

Re: 1970 rr help [Re: 62maxwgn] #179768 01/02/09 11:04 AM 01/02/09 11:04 AM
Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 13 USA H hemipowered2 OP member
hemipowered2 OP member H Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 13 USA	i took the same springs and put them on a 1970 rr that had never had the rails changed in. and they went right in. thats why im lost when i go to install them in my car. the rear cross member seems to be dead i just don't understand why i cant reach the shackle holes with out moving the holes forward. the springs seem to be short. but if they went right into anouther 1970 rr id say somethings wrong with my frame rails or my shackle mounts. the do sell ones for a station wagon i heard were different. im sure i have the right ones here.

Re: 1970 rr help [Re: hemipowered2] #179769 01/02/09 11:47 AM 01/02/09 11:47 AM
Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 3,333 MARYLAND 69Cuda340S master
69Cuda340S master Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 3,333 MARYLAND	Do you have your old springs laying around anywhere to compare them to? You might want to measure along the arc of the spring and see if what you received is indeed too short. When I bought replacement springs from ESPO they went right in.

Re: 1970 rr help [Re: hemipowered2] #179770 01/02/09 12:21 PM 01/02/09 12:21 PM
Joined: May 2005 Posts: 153 Gladstone, Michigan UP FM3challenger member
UP FM3challenger member Joined: May 2005 Posts: 153 Gladstone, Michigan	were the rails replaced along with the rear crossmember?

Re: 1970 rr help [Re: UP FM3challenger] #179771 01/02/09 01:23 PM 01/02/09 01:23 PM
Joined: May 2004 Posts: 5,123 Warrenton, VA RoadRunnerJD master
RoadRunnerJD master Joined: May 2004 Posts: 5,123 Warrenton, VA	It sounds like the springs must be incorrect. I cannot imagine moving the hole in the frame for the rear shackle to bolt up! That would just be jury-rigging it to fit instead of solving the problem. Once installed, the hole in the spring leaf for the rear shackle should actually be a little past the center of the hole for the shackle in the frame. The rear shackle angle from the frame to the spring has to be angled back like in the attached photo so that the shackle can rotate forward on takeoff for the springs to work properly. If you bolt up your front hangers and jack the rear up, the rear shackles should fit relatively easily. If your shackle is laying all the way back and still is missing the hole by a 1/2", you have a problem with the length of the springs or the frame. Even if it bolted up, if the rear spring eye is in front of the mounting hole in the frame, the spring will be bouncing up into the frame when you go over bumps...I would start off with some measurements from the rear hole in the frame to the front spring hanger mounting flange and post the measurement here and someone will verify it for you. I will bet the springs are just not the right ones. 4917818-Exhausttips(Small).JPG (58 downloads)

Re: 1970 rr help [Re: RoadRunnerJD] #179772 01/02/09 02:53 PM 01/02/09 02:53 PM
Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 408 Manhattan, IL SixPackRT mopar
SixPackRT mopar Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 408 Manhattan, IL	Were the rear frame rails on the car replaced? And if they were did you replace them with stock plymouth frame rails? I believe (am sure) there is a difference between dodge and plymouth frame rails as far as rear spring mounting locations. The front hanger is also different but that would move your spring location back, not forward if you were using front hangers from a dodge. So I wouldn't think that was the problem. But if you replaced the rear frame rails this may be something for you to look at. Just my Scott 70 Coronet RT 440+6 64 Dodge 330 - Future Hemi Clone 17 Challenger Hellcat - Green Go Driver 86 Buick T-Type Turbo V-6

Re: 1970 rr help [Re: RoadRunnerJD] #179773 01/02/09 10:44 PM 01/02/09 10:44 PM
Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 13 USA H hemipowered2 OP member
hemipowered2 OP member H Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 13 USA	the frame rails were replaced with a 49in set and a new cross member was installed the distance between the 2 are correct. we used a jig off a 70 rr.

Re: 1970 rr help [Re: hemipowered2] #179774 01/02/09 10:51 PM 01/02/09 10:51 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 11,854 Georgetown Ontario Canada anlauto I Live Here
anlauto I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 11,854 Georgetown Ontario Canada	What were the new rails out of? Just throwing around ideas here but maybe the rear shackle tube is in different locations for different B Bodys???

Re: 1970 rr help [Re: anlauto] #179775 01/03/09 12:52 AM 01/03/09 12:52 AM
Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 13 USA H hemipowered2 OP member
hemipowered2 OP member H Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 13 USA	i bought them from auto body sp. they are direct replacements. all the parts came from them except the leaf springs there from spings-n-things.

Re: 1970 rr help [Re: hemipowered2] #179776 01/03/09 01:16 AM 01/03/09 01:16 AM
Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 15,995 RI Deep in the rust belt chargervert I Live Here
chargervert I Live Here Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 15,995 RI Deep in the rust belt	I'd measure the distance from the rear crossmember,to the hole in the frame rail,where the shackle mount, on both Road Runners,and see if there the same distance,that should tell you if the replacement rails are correct,compared to the car that the springs fit in correctly. 70 Charger R/T SE 472 Hemi 70 Charger R/T convertible 70 Charger R/T V Code Sixpack 69 Charger R/T SE Sunroofcar 68 Charger 383 68 Charger 318 71 Charger R/T 70 Challenger convertible 71 Challenger convertible 71 Cuda 340 09 Challenger R/T Classic

Re: 1970 rr help [Re: chargervert] #179777 01/03/09 04:19 AM 01/03/09 04:19 AM
Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 3,426 weymouth,mass. M meepmeep70 master
meepmeep70 master M Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 3,426 weymouth,mass.	i bought espo 1" over leal springs for my 70 road runner,found easiest way to install was loosly mount the front of the leaf springs with the one through bolt,leaving the back of the springs on the floor,rolled my rear under car and bolted the U clamps on each side,with a floor jack i jacked up the rear and bolted up the shackles,although they appeared slightly leaning forward once everything else was mounted they relaxed and i loosed jounced and retightened. i can take some measurements if you need,my frame is original. good luck Darren

Re: 1970 rr help [Re: meepmeep70] #179778 01/03/09 09:08 AM 01/03/09 09:08 AM
Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 368 Jacksonville, Fl 426runner enthusiast
426runner enthusiast Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 368 Jacksonville, Fl	I am using the +2" set from Espo. The rear just barely hooked up- But with weight on the springs they settled right into position- Later, Sandy '70 HEMI Road Runner B5/B5, 4 spd "Sandy's Garage" on Facebook

Re: 1970 rr help [Re: 426runner] #179779 01/03/09 05:51 PM 01/03/09 05:51 PM
Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 13 USA H hemipowered2 OP member
hemipowered2 OP member H Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 13 USA	well i got the leafspings in funny thing is. can someone tell me which side is suppose to be the 7 leaf and which side should have the 6?? the passenger side has the 6 in it now. is this wrong?

Re: 1970 rr help [Re: hemipowered2] #179780 01/03/09 06:31 PM 01/03/09 06:31 PM
Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 6,301 colorado A a12superbee master
a12superbee master A Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 6,301 colorado	Shouldn't you have checked that before you argued with them for a week? The pass side gets the extra leaf. Laughing with you, not at you. I can't afford this. mark

Re: 1970 rr help [Re: hemipowered2] #179781 01/03/09 06:35 PM 01/03/09 06:35 PM
Joined: Jul 2003 Posts: 243 St. Louis, MO DodgeMaterial enthusiast
DodgeMaterial enthusiast Joined: Jul 2003 Posts: 243 St. Louis, MO	Extra leaf goes on the "traction" (passenger) side. Good Luck! Dave DodgeMaterial - Dave JS29U0B - FK5 - 440-4 Auto WS23V0A - EB5 - 440-6 Auto

Re: 1970 rr help [Re: DodgeMaterial] #179782 01/03/09 06:59 PM 01/03/09 06:59 PM
Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 3,333 MARYLAND 69Cuda340S master
69Cuda340S master Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 3,333 MARYLAND	What did you have to do to get them to bolt up??

Re: 1970 rr help [Re: hemipowered2] #179783 01/03/09 08:19 PM 01/03/09 08:19 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 11,854 Georgetown Ontario Canada anlauto I Live Here
anlauto I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 11,854 Georgetown Ontario Canada	Quote: well i got the leafspings in funny thing is. can someone tell me which side is suppose to be the 7 leaf and which side should have the 6?? the passenger side has the 6 in it now. is this wrong? Oops...I guess putting them in for the second time should be easier right.... Passenger side always gets the extra leaf... *CHECK OUT MY NEW WEB SITE !*

Re: 1970 rr help [Re: hemipowered2] #179784 01/04/09 12:27 AM 01/04/09 12:27 AM
Joined: May 2004 Posts: 5,123 Warrenton, VA RoadRunnerJD master
RoadRunnerJD master Joined: May 2004 Posts: 5,123 Warrenton, VA	Quote: well i got the leafspings in funny thing is. can someone tell me which side is suppose to be the 7 leaf and which side should have the 6?? the passenger side has the 6 in it now. is this wrong? Congratulations! What did you have to do to get the shackles in? Can you post a photo? I'm curious to see how the angle at the rear shackle looks?

Re: 1970 rr help [Re: RoadRunnerJD] #179785 01/04/09 12:10 PM 01/04/09 12:10 PM
Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 28 PA. 3 340rocks member
340rocks member 3 Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 28 PA.	set the car level give us measurments then go from threr

Re: 1970 rr help [Re: 340rocks] #179786 01/04/09 11:41 PM 01/04/09 11:41 PM
Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 13 USA H hemipowered2 OP member
hemipowered2 OP member H Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 13 USA	this is how they went in, no bushing in the leafspings or the shackles, and the shackles are borrowed from a buddie he has the new ones i was tring to get in before, these are from something but not my car.. 4924174-Picture0041.JPG (50 downloads)

Re: 1970 rr help [Re: hemipowered2] #179787 01/06/09 10:57 AM 01/06/09 10:57 AM
Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 64 CT H harryhood Kermit
harryhood Kermit H Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 64 CT	Hey hemipowered2, I saw this posted in reference to your situation. This is someone else's suggestion as to the problem. I'm just posting it in the hope that it may help you out. Quote: on 68-70 bbodys there are differances between dodges and plymouths when you change out the frame rails they are the same. what is not the same is the mounting points of the rear springs when you change that part you need to know which one you are using.. the rear springs are the exact same on both ply and dodge what is different between dodge and ply is this and i will use ebarf to show you... http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/New-Mopar...sspagenameZWDVW http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/New-Mopar...sspagenameZWDVW thats 2 different parts....one for dodge and one for plymouth obviously when he changed the rails he changed his mounting position he just needs to use the right parts that will fit so it will go back together correctly

Re: 1970 rr help [Re: harryhood] #179788 01/06/09 01:57 PM 01/06/09 01:57 PM
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500Stroker 5 Joined: Mar 2004 Posts: 2,025 Bucks County, PA	Atta Boy Harry

Re: 1970 rr help [Re: 500Stroker] #179789 01/06/09 03:28 PM 01/06/09 03:28 PM
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Anonymous Unregistered A	Quote: Atta Boy Harry X2

Re: 1970 rr help #179790 01/06/09 08:01 PM 01/06/09 08:01 PM
Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 28 PA. 3 340rocks member
340rocks member 3 Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 28 PA.	hey hemipower did you get bushings and shackles from buddy wheres are measurments

Re: 1970 rr help [Re: harryhood] #179791 01/07/09 07:27 PM 01/07/09 07:27 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 75,004 U.S.S.A. JohnRR I Win
JohnRR I Win Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 75,004 U.S.S.A.	Quote: Hey hemipowered2, I saw this posted in reference to your situation. This is someone else's suggestion as to the problem. I'm just posting it in the hope that it may help you out. Quote: on 68-70 bbodys there are differances between dodges and plymouths when you change out the frame rails they are the same. what is not the same is the mounting points of the rear springs when you change that part you need to know which one you are using.. the rear springs are the exact same on both ply and dodge what is different between dodge and ply is this and i will use ebarf to show you... http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/New-Mopar...sspagenameZWDVW http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/New-Mopar...sspagenameZWDVW thats 2 different parts....one for dodge and one for plymouth obviously when he changed the rails he changed his mounting position he just needs to use the right parts that will fit so it will go back together correctly the fly in that ointment is that the DODGE hangers are LONGER than the plymouth hangers so if he had the wrong hangers , dodge on a plymouth it wouldn't be too short . what i would do is put a piece of wood that will fit between the shackles between the frame and the spring and lower the body till you can get the shackle into the spring and the frame WITH THE BUSHINGS INSTALLED . then get all the weight on the springs so you can get the piece of wood out . if that doesn't work then I would have to think something wasn't measured properly or the jig was off ???

Re: 1970 rr help [Re: JohnRR] #179792 01/07/09 08:54 PM 01/07/09 08:54 PM
Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 28 PA. 3 340rocks member
340rocks member 3 Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 28 PA.	hey johnrr thats what i was going to tell him i think that will work

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