Frame width question
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I'm looking at using the rolling chassis from a 93 D300 dualie for a project of mine. My question is; is the frame slightly narrower because of the dualie configuration? And if so, is it narrower just at the back or for the entire length? I don't have either kind nearby to measure them, and I have to act fast to get this dualie chassis. Thanks! 
25 Dodge Roadster 66 D100 440/727 (on 72 D100 chassis) 67 W200 360/727 72 IH TravelAll 1110 4x4 345/727/NP205 76 Scout 2 360/727/D20 '08 Dakota SLT Quad Cab 4wd 4.7L
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Re: Frame width question
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Frame width is the same, frame height and metal gauge will change.
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Re: Frame width question
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Frame width is the same, frame height and metal gauge will change.
WOW!!! You guys never cease to amaze me! Those are some really cool charts! That will help immensely! I can't thank you enough for that! 
As for the chassis I'm looking at, I'll have to go do some measuring. It looks like it had a flatbed of some sort on it, but appears to be short enough to be a standard 131" wb. There's no rear end under it currently, but the springs are still there, and the center bolt should give me what I'm after. I have a Dana 70 from a B300 motorhome that I am looking to narrow down and put in it, with disc brakes if I can. My 67 will be going onto this frame. The biggest decision I have to make is what power plant I'm going to run. I'm itching to build the 543" stroker from 440 Source, but a 408" from my LA 360 might be a better engine for a driver.
PS: You wouldn't happen to have this same kind of chart or info for the 66.5-71 Sweptline trucks, would you? 
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Re: Frame width question
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There was a frame change for Sweptlines around 1968.
It was 69. The overall dimensions didn't change but the crossmembers did. That front crossmember on the 61-68 trucks also ties into the front suspension so it can't be removed without strengthening the frame rails in that area.
I'm sure Jeff knows about this and the wheelbase change since he's been into Sweptlines for a long time, although he said 66.5 instead on 65.5.
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Re: Frame width question
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on my 71 truck i used an 85 swb frame----i put an 85 stepside bed on it--(in the factory mounting holes)---the cab of the truck only located the front cab mounts on the correct position on the new frame--the rear cab and radiator support had to be made to fit---you will also have to notch into the dash to point your steering column at the new steering gear location---it may be possible to put 2 joints on the steering column---the cool thing is you can reuse the modern diesel frame tank and ditch the behind the seat tank----that will make your oversize relatives happy....ohoh---just went to check on the cab mounts---maybe wrong---i did this job maybe 10 years ago---it looks like the rear mounts on cab line up with the rear cab mounts of the new frame---but the width is different--i cut off the original frame cab mounts and put them on the newer frame....
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Re: Frame width question
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The original poster has already put a 66 on a newer frame. He was one of the 1st people to do so that I'm aware of.
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Re: Frame width question
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The original poster has already put a 66 on a newer frame. He was one of the 1st people to do so that I'm aware of.
I did my 66 conversion in early 1992. Drove it for many years every day. I also used the old front mounts on the new frame, then moved the rear cab mounts to line up. Core support sits on the mounts for the newer frame, unaltered. You can't get your hand between the head and the firewall with the 440 in it, but it clears.
This time around I want a 3/4 or 1 ton, and the frame is free for the taking. Which opens the door for me to develop my bolt-on kit. And finally everything is coming together to do it. I have two versions designed. I'll be working out all of the bugs in lining up the bed first, as that determines the cab height above the frame. As you may know or have noticed, the newer frame dips down under the cab, so the mounting surface isn't at the same height as everything else. Mine has a hoakie 3" body lift, and the rockers are still only 12" off of the ground, with 235/75x15's on it. But that was so that the core support wouldn't need to be altered, and thusly reducing the size of my radiator. I'll be trying a couple of things, but I hope to make it something that the average guy can do in a 2 car garage. As simple as strip off the newer body, bolt on my adapter kit, then bolt the Sweptline onto it.
Soop, I'm jonesing over that diagram you found, but as you said it's tough to read. Would it be clearer if you emailed it? I'll PM you my address if you think it will help.
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Re: Frame width question
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This time around I want a 3/4 or 1 ton, and the frame is free for the taking. Which opens the door for me to develop my bolt-on kit. And finally everything is coming together to do it. I have two versions designed.
Soop, I'm jonesing over that diagram you found, but as you said it's tough to read. Would it be clearer if you emailed it? I'll PM you my address if you think it will help.
I replied to this yesterday but my post seems to have disappeared. The diagram gets blurry before it gets large enough to read the numbers. I don't know that it would be worth it to create a kit like you had been planning for years. You are replacing 50+ year old technology with 40+ year old technology. In many places you don't see 72-93 Dodge trucks on the roads much anymore. Finding good donor frames is going to get more difficult as time goes on. There are also bolt on options for disc brakes and CPP is working on a power steering setup. Many people have also moved on to Crown Victoria suspensions even though they require frame modification. Maybe you should try making a kit that would use a 94-01 frames.
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Re: Frame width question
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I don't think that the 94-up chassis are very compatible, but I get your point, and it's well worth considering. If I weren't doing a 3/4 ton, I'd be doing the Crown Vic swap as well. I considered the Dakota frame, but I think that the track was too narrow in the end. I can't recall now. I've given thought to doing a frame graft of the 93 front, but I'm not sure that my fab skills are up to that kind of challenge yet. Too easy to get something wrong and forever have drivability issues IMHO. I'd likely have to pay a good fab shop to do it, which negates the low buck aspect of it. Food for thought. And I have plenty of time at work to over-think the snot out of it. LOL! Thanks Soop! 
25 Dodge Roadster 66 D100 440/727 (on 72 D100 chassis) 67 W200 360/727 72 IH TravelAll 1110 4x4 345/727/NP205 76 Scout 2 360/727/D20 '08 Dakota SLT Quad Cab 4wd 4.7L
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