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440 source girdle
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12/29/08 10:39 PM
12/29/08 10:39 PM
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Jarrettsville, MD
cudaman1967
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Can anyone give me opinion? They look identical to alot of the other manufactures but alot cheaper
Cudaman1967
1967 Barracuda Turbo Outlaw 8.50
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Re: 440 source girdle
[Re: BradH]
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12/30/08 12:08 PM
12/30/08 12:08 PM
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Puyallup, WA
StealthWedge67
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Either that, or you're doing business with the company that is the least cost effective and is gouging you for the biggest margin,... one or the other.
If someone is making a simple product that requires very little technology, and charging and absorbanant sum for it, don't be surprised when someone else comes along and says... "I can do that for less".
And, to some extent...... its a main girdle. Anyone with an engine block & a sheet of metal is going to come up with basically the same design.
LemonWedge - Street heavy / Strip ready - 11.07 @ 120
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Re: 440 source girdle
[Re: StealthWedge67]
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12/30/08 12:13 PM
12/30/08 12:13 PM
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Val-haul-ass... eventually
BradH
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Either that, or you're doing business with the company that is the least cost effective and is gouging you for the biggest margin,... one or the other.
 I did ask that they price-match their competitor, if it makes you think I'm "a little" less stupid than you probably think I am... 
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Re: 440 source girdle
[Re: BradH]
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12/30/08 05:41 PM
12/30/08 05:41 PM
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Washington, IL
Hughes
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Brad,
Be careful about spouting "FACTS". The fictional history you wrote on the girdles is not real accurate. Main bearing stud girdles have been used on brand "X" engines since the 50's . We have magazine articles showing girdles on Mopars in the '60's. We have blueprints here in our shop that we drew back in the '80's but just never put into production. We have our studs custom made by ARP, the oil pan studs custom made in Ohio and our pan gaskets custom made in Iowa etc.... Most of the parts in the kits from different people are coming from different sources. I don't feel like there is a lot of difference in the Chenoweth, Hughes or 440 Source girdle. Hughes & 440 Source are within $5.00 of each other and Chenoweth is a little higher. We send out about 5 sheets of colored, illustrated instructions with ours that I have never seen from anyone else. Otherwise, buy from who you feel gives you good tech support and the people you like. All 3 kits will do the job and should be on every stock block stroker built.
Hope you all have a Happy New Year! (Yes, even you Brad)
Kevin @ Hughes Engines, inc
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Re: 440 source girdle
[Re: Hughes]
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12/30/08 05:58 PM
12/30/08 05:58 PM
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Val-haul-ass... eventually
BradH
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(Yes, even you Brad)
I've no bones w/ Hughes Engines. In fact, just this last weekend I was looking through a box of valve train parts I'd purchased from you guys for my Road Runner. My Challenger has some goodies from Hughes Engines on it, too: your modified M1 intake and Probe rockers. Plus, I've run some of your cams over the years with good results.
Yes, main girdles go back much farther than the parts we're talking about. No debate there.
However, Mike @ Chenoweth told me that your company purchased one of their B-block girdles from him (he still had the receipt at the time this conversation took place) and then Hughes Engines proceeded to offer the same item shortly there after. If you don't agree w/ the chain of events he described, please take it up w/ him.
If I'm passing on bad information, I'm happy to stand (or sit) corrected. However, from the public's perspective (i.e. when each company began to offer the main girdle kits), it doesn't appear that he's in error.
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Re: 440 source girdle
[Re: BradH]
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12/30/08 06:39 PM
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tjmarcus1
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(Yes, even you Brad)
I've no bones w/ Hughes Engines. In fact, just this last weekend I was looking through a box of valve train parts I'd purchased from you guys for my Road Runner. My Challenger has some goodies from Hughes Engines on it, too: your modified M1 intake and Probe rockers. Plus, I've run some of your cams over the years with good results.
Yes, main girdles go back much farther than the parts we're talking about. No debate there.
However, Mike @ Chenoweth told me that your company purchased one of their B-block girdles from him (he still had the receipt at the time this conversation took place) and then Hughes Engines proceeded to offer the same item shortly there after. If you don't agree w/ the chain of events he described, please take it up w/ him.
If I'm passing on bad information, I'm happy to stand (or sit) corrected. However, from the public's perspective (i.e. when each company began to offer the main girdle kits), it doesn't appear that he's in error.
hold on there tiger i deal with and like all the people mentioned above. mike is very helpful, dave and kevin treats me like a brother and brandon is straight forward, which is appreciated. just buy from either one. you can't go wrong. 
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12/30/08 08:50 PM
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Re: 440 source girdle
[Re: BDS871Cuda]
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12/31/08 01:57 AM
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Re: 440 source girdle
[Re: joshking440]
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12/31/08 02:28 AM
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bcrproducts
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I just sit and watch these discussions lately. But I will add to this before it gets uglier. My design girdle is not new. It has been done before but not on a Mopar. It was the Moparts community that streamlined the design that you see today.With lots of help here by Tom in Finland Dan at Performance Only Ryan at ShadyDell and so many others I can not remember. Very few ideas are truly new nowadays. But one thing I said from the start is that there will be no compromise "quality only". Is it cheap "nope" is it made here in North America "yes" that is why it is costly.Is it gouging "nope" just try to manufacture a part nowadays guys and you will be shocked at what materials and equipment costs. Will it get knocked off by someone and taken to Asia, "likely" and when it does I will go on and make other things no big deal. I have always diversified and make billet gokart parts as well as hold a patent on www.hoisthanger.com which by the way I did not copy and soley invented. So you guys be the judge when you build a 10K motor will you skimp on a few hundred dollars or buck up and get a better piece. That is for you to decide. Thanks for all the support guys and have a happy New Year ---Greg www.bcrproducts.com
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Re: 440 source girdle
[Re: bcrproducts]
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12/31/08 02:36 AM
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Las Vegas
Al_Alguire
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Greg-Love that hoist hanger set up. I am getting old and dont like sitting tires on the ground at all anymore. I prefer to lay them on a bench or get someone to help me swap them around. I love that idea, do you know if they will fit on Rotary lift arms as that is all we have in my shop?
"I am not ashamed to confess I am ignorant of what I do not know."
"It's never wrong to do the right thing"
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I know of a WELL KNOWN engine shop that tore down some bad a$$ winning engines from world renowened builders and used those combos in THEIR engines which did very well. Everybody steals ideas from others...........been going on for years like it or not. 
