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Rod side clearance ?? #1783895
03/19/15 08:14 PM
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I am working with a 440 source RB 4.250 stroke crank and a set of Eagle 7.100 rods. The problem I am having is that the rods are two wide to fit the crank. The rods seem to be Mopar width and the crank pin is Chevrolet width. Has any one found this problem before?


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Re: Rod side clearance ?? [Re: ChevyTS] #1783896
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I think they make a deal about it on their site like it is a good thing --perhaps for them if it makes you use their rods? I think you could work on the eagles and make it work--how much wider are they?

Re: Rod side clearance ?? [Re: ChevyTS] #1783897
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I have had to surface grind SB rods to fit the crank
on one of my engines... I should have gone back to
the crank company to have them do their job right..
he messed up and turned the crank to chevy diameter
but didnt do the width right.. on my last engine I did
the same thing but went back to him and he did the width..
on the SB I ground .013 off the inside of each rod
to fit with clearance

Re: Rod side clearance ?? [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1783898
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They seem to be addressing the issue of Eagles on regular cranks having a mile of side room--supposed to be all kinds of oil Bogeymen bad things but I have NEVER seen any harm from tons more side room than we really need--"oh it bleeds off oil yadda yadda" I say maybe on yours but has never hurt any builds I had --Yes if you are taking a test >055 per pair is way wide but--does it hurt anything? I say no big deal but I do understand why they would want to correct this with the specs on their cranks and rods and make it more correct--I think yahoo Except--then when you go to use others rods you get --ehh..some grinding to do--all in the game of engine building me boys--these days with parts from all parts so to speak Nothing is a given or fits--Respect your engine builder--he is fighting this EVERY single day--
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Re: Rod side clearance ?? [Re: ] #1783899
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From memory I think the Eagle rods are 1.013 on the big end. The crank is 2.009 . I can get better numbers tonight. I have built many B/RB strokers before and I havent seen this yet. I wanted to get more input before I machine the rods to .995.

Re: Rod side clearance ?? [Re: ChevyTS] #1783900
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Eagle rods are set up that way to fit Eagle cranks. Most any other aftermarket steel rod will fit the offshore cranks with the BBC journals. You could have them surface ground,or just get the right rods.


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Re: Rod side clearance ?? [Re: CompWedgeEngines] #1783901
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Mopar rod big end width spec is 1.017", BB Chevy is .992"
Doug

Re: Rod side clearance ?? [Re: dvw] #1783902
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Mopar rod big end width spec is 1.017", BB Chevy is .992"
Doug


Thanks Doug

Re: Rod side clearance ?? [Re: CompWedgeEngines] #1783903
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Eagle rods are set up that way to fit Eagle cranks. Most any other aftermarket steel rod will fit the offshore cranks with the BBC journals. You could have them surface ground,or just get the right rods.


So that means that Eagle cranks use eagle rods. I see.

Re: Rod side clearance ?? [Re: ChevyTS] #1783904
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I have been using mostly Scat products.

Re: Rod side clearance ?? [Re: ChevyTS] #1783905
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Put an old bearing in the rod. Torque it, and chuck up on the inside if the big end in a lathe and turn it down. Easier, faster.

Re: Rod side clearance ?? [Re: dthemi] #1783906
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Havent tried it that way yet..lol...


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Re: Rod side clearance ?? [Re: CompWedgeEngines] #1783907
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Update. The crank was 2.004 2.006. the rods were 2.007. I machined the rods to .9935 .994 I have .0014 ish side clearance

Re: Rod side clearance ?? [Re: ChevyTS] #1783908
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I have the same issue. Bb Chrysler alumium rod, bb chevy crank. How much side clearance should I cut for aluminum.

Re: Rod side clearance ?? [Re: ChevyTS] #1783909
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Update. The crank was 2.004 2.006. the rods were 2.007. I machined the rods to .9935 .994 I have .0014 ish side clearance




Too tight imo..........


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Re: Rod side clearance ?? [Re: Thumperdart] #1783910
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Update. The crank was 2.004 2.006. the rods were 2.007. I machined the rods to .9935 .994 I have .0014 ish side clearance




Too tight imo..........




He has .008 clearance now.. thats even tight to me
(not the .001+ he shows)

Re: Rod side clearance ?? [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1783911
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X2 - .008" would make me nervous.


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Update. The crank was 2.004 2.006. the rods were 2.007. I machined the rods to .9935 .994 I have .0014 ish side clearance




Too tight imo..........




He has .008 clearance now.. thats even tight to me
(not the .001+ he shows)





Built a roundy round small chevy for a guy years ago and it had about .012 iirc and it ran awesome and faster than ever till it let go. The rods were burnt pretty badly and the oil full of metal. Mine are bet. .035 and .050 and have been for many years.


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Re: Rod side clearance ?? [Re: ChevyTS] #1783913
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Update. The crank was 2.004 2.006. the rods were 2.007. I machined the rods to .9935 .994 I have .0014 ish side clearance


Add another .010 and you should be good, that ain't a Chevy motor Way to loose on rod side clearances works good on Mopar stroker motors


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Re: Rod side clearance ?? [Re: Cab_Burge] #1783914
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Is this a new purchase from 440 source? If so they sent the wrong parts. Call them and get the right rods.


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