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Re: Who needs a big block ? [Re: HotRodDave] #1778392
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HP is what makes you go fast, you can always use gear multiplication to make TQ if you have HP.

Now that is out of the way I like SB strokers the best.




Torque is what makes you go Quick.

Steep gears can help with torque but will increase your trap RPM and make street driving more difficult. I had around 7 grand in each of the big blocks that I ran 9.80's with. Although alot of the parts were lightly used, there's no way I could have stayed with a small block and met the goals I wanted, which was a pump gas combo with some streetability and enough torque to run 9's.

When money allows I really do want to build a nasty stroker small block someday though, I especially like the extra room in the engine bay.

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HP is what makes you go fast, you can always use gear multiplication to make TQ if you have HP.

Now that is out of the way I like SB strokers the best.




Torque is what makes you go Quick.

Steep gears can help with torque but will increase your trap RPM and make street driving more difficult. I had around 7 grand in each of the big blocks that I ran 9.80's with. Although alot of the parts were lightly used, there's no way I could have stayed with a small block and met the goals I wanted, which was a pump gas combo with some streetability and enough torque to run 9's.

When money allows I really do want to build a nasty stroker small block someday though, I especially like the extra room in the engine bay.




Why? I went 9.55@140 with a 422 small block that I had 10k in. I went 9.90 with a stock block and 360-1 Indy heads. I had 8500 in that motor.


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Re: Who needs a big block ? [Re: 1967dartgt] #1778394
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HP is what makes you go fast, you can always use gear multiplication to make TQ if you have HP.

Now that is out of the way I like SB strokers the best.




Torque is what makes you go Quick.

Steep gears can help with torque but will increase your trap RPM and make street driving more difficult. I had around 7 grand in each of the big blocks that I ran 9.80's with. Although alot of the parts were lightly used, there's no way I could have stayed with a small block and met the goals I wanted, which was a pump gas combo with some streetability and enough torque to run 9's.

When money allows I really do want to build a nasty stroker small block someday though, I especially like the extra room in the engine bay.




Why? I went [Email]9.55@140[/Email] with a 422 small block that I had 10k in. I went 9.90 with a stock block and 360-1 Indy heads. I had 8500 in that motor.





You should give me hints then........!
Dan

Re: Who needs a big block ? [Re: Wedgeman] #1778395
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My dart will run mid 9's with a BB that I have less than $4500 in. I go by the theory that the only substitution for cubic inches is cubic dollars and I don't have the dollars, so inches it is!

Re: Who needs a big block ? [Re: 1967dartgt] #1778396
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Why? I went 9.55@140 with a 422 small block that I had 10k in. I went 9.90 with a stock block and 360-1 Indy heads. I had 8500 in that motor.




See, you spent alot more than I did.
And it needed more RPM, and more octane. I made the last 2 up, only guessing.
Some of you guys have above average small blocks, it's not the norm to run that quick with a fairly low dollar small block. You really know what you're doing. Running 9's with a cheap mild big block was easy for me and I had a ton of fun doing it. Still want to do a stroker SB soon though.

Re: Who needs a big block ? [Re: ProSport] #1778397
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Why? I went [Email]9.55@140[/Email] with a 422 small block that I had 10k in. I went 9.90 with a stock block and 360-1 Indy heads. I had 8500 in that motor.




See, you spent alot more than I did.
And it needed more RPM, and more octane. I made the last 2 up, only guessing.
Some of you guys have above average small blocks, it's not the norm to run that quick with a fairly low dollar small block. You really know what you're doing. Running 9's with a cheap mild big block was easy for me and I had a ton of fun doing it. Still want to do a stroker SB soon though.




Hell.. my back up engine is a stock block 395ci W-2
that I run 9.50s in.. home ported heads and a roller
cam.. the biggest price thing is the roller cam and
they are that bad.. thats with a small stroker 3.79

Re: Who needs a big block ? [Re: Joes66dart] #1778398
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This is a good one here and good points on both sides. Ive a purpose built street car made for one thing and there is not one area I skimped on.

With that said the parts list alone is enough to make me sick and its odd how many run race blocks around here (mopar, ford and chevy) on the street and oem blocks at the strip.

I do think dollar for dollar if I had went the BB route, aftermarket block and it would have to be a long stroke BB that I would not need to spray it on a controller like I do the small block stroker.

But just like many who have been into small blocks and it seems equally with long stroke big blocks the money factor will keep me from ever changing over.

I would think only the ones who have the same model cars and as close to being done as equal money, one with a small block stroker and one with a big block stroker could give us the true answer.

So for now its just wallet vs wallet and possibly ego vs ego and a grudge match (which is fun).

Re: Who needs a big block ? [Re: Porter67] #1778399
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Who needs a big block? Well some years back before the stroker crank for the SB a lot of guys wanted a BB. Now not nearly as many want one when you can get into the high 10's with a fairly mild well thought out 408/416/426"/440ish SB!

Re: Who needs a big block ? [Re: Porter67] #1778400
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This is a good one here and good points on both sides. Ive a purpose built street car made for one thing and there is not one area I skimped on.

With that said the parts list alone is enough to make me sick and its odd how many run race blocks around here (mopar, ford and chevy) on the street and oem blocks at the strip.

I do think dollar for dollar if I had went the BB route, aftermarket block and it would have to be a long stroke BB that I would not need to spray it on a controller like I do the small block stroker.

But just like many who have been into small blocks and it seems equally with long stroke big blocks the money factor will keep me from ever changing over.

I would think only the ones who have the same model cars and as close to being done as equal money, one with a small block stroker and one with a big block stroker could give us the true answer.

So for now its just wallet vs wallet and possibly ego vs ego and a grudge match (which is fun).




Well we have been running 9's in our pump gas unported but stroked RB in the Duster....We keep the r's down and have put a lot of passes on her. Its been a great combo as I had my doubts, but it has worked really well at 735hp.

This year, I sold the little 484 Hemi in my street car and built a pump gas 605 all aluminum Hemi. I was very disappointed with it as far as performance goes. I decided to change all the things I hated about the old engine. With that said, my street car (Cuda) is only good to 10.0 and I think 850hp will put it well under that, so if things go well, it will land in the race car for a season and the 512 wedge in the street car....Take any bets what it will run if we do? Mine is 9.1ish


'70 Cuda,...605 EFI Hemi Street Car (6.20 best pass, 1.33 60ft)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYw6RA-k5Bk (6.25 at 108.75mph from inside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zQEb9uxFng (6.25 at 108mph from outside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCvfzsC4NgM (9.9)

'66 Barracuda AWB Stretched nose Blown 440 Car in build stage

'71 Duster Drag Car 400 Low Deck 512 best 6.002 at 115.44mph
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Znuo3jMUXTk
Re: Who needs a big block ? [Re: Dragula] #1778401
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My big block has been 9.12@147 but that's at 3340lbs with Eddy carbs. At some of these lighter weights that have been posted it has been 8.10@169 with Holleys.
Doug

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My big block has been [Email]9.12@147[/Email] but that's at 3340lbs with Eddy carbs. At some of these lighter weights that have been posted it has been [Email]8.10@169[/Email] with Holleys.
Doug




I learned years ago that its weight to HP and also
learned that its cheaper and easier on parts to build
a light car... I know guys were making 800+ hp out
of my type of sb but at more cubes.. I just wanted
something simple and no maintenance.. thats what
I had.. so if I wanted I could have gone much quicker

Re: Who needs a big block ? [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1778403
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I had the pleasure of installing a starter last night on my big block Duster.
Pull steering column, remove valve cover, wrestle with starter for an hour or so just trying to get fingers in there, try to remove starter wires, wrestle new starter in there, fight wires again, install steering column, drink a cold one. 2 hour process.

Anyone want to buy a healthy big block?

Re: Who needs a big block ? [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1778404
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Why? I went [Email]9.55@140[/Email] with a 422 small block that I had 10k in. I went 9.90 with a stock block and 360-1 Indy heads. I had 8500 in that motor.




See, you spent alot more than I did.
And it needed more RPM, and more octane. I made the last 2 up, only guessing.
Some of you guys have above average small blocks, it's not the norm to run that quick with a fairly low dollar small block. You really know what you're doing. Running 9's with a cheap mild big block was easy for me and I had a ton of fun doing it. Still want to do a stroker SB soon though.




Hell.. my back up engine is a stock block 395ci W-2
that I run 9.50s in.. home ported heads and a roller
cam.. the biggest price thing is the roller cam and
they are that bad.. thats with a small stroker 3.79





9.50 ! how much does your car weight ?

Dan

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Why? I went [Email]9.55@140[/Email] with a 422 small block that I had 10k in. I went 9.90 with a stock block and 360-1 Indy heads. I had 8500 in that motor.




See, you spent alot more than I did.
And it needed more RPM, and more octane. I made the last 2 up, only guessing.
Some of you guys have above average small blocks, it's not the norm to run that quick with a fairly low dollar small block. You really know what you're doing. Running 9's with a cheap mild big block was easy for me and I had a ton of fun doing it. Still want to do a stroker SB soon though.




Hell.. my back up engine is a stock block 395ci W-2
that I run 9.50s in.. home ported heads and a roller
cam.. the biggest price thing is the roller cam and
they are that bad.. thats with a small stroker 3.79





9.50 ! how much does your car weight ?

Dan




Thats the race car.. with me its 2400#.. race weight

Re: Who needs a big block ? [Re: ProSport] #1778406
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Why? I went [Email]9.55@140[/Email] with a 422 small block that I had 10k in. I went 9.90 with a stock block and 360-1 Indy heads. I had 8500 in that motor.




See, you spent alot more than I did.
And it needed more RPM, and more octane. I made the last 2 up, only guessing.
Some of you guys have above average small blocks, it's not the norm to run that quick with a fairly low dollar small block. You really know what you're doing. Running 9's with a cheap mild big block was easy for me and I had a ton of fun doing it. Still want to do a stroker SB soon though.




I only turn my motors to 7000. The stock block one I only turned to 6500. It had a Mopar crank 4" eagle h beam rods and JE pistons. Off the shelf solid roller, nothing special.


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One question has been haunting me for sometime now.....

Who needs a big block when your small block stroker makes 660 + ponies ?

Does a big block will make you go faster in the same body with more torque ?

I see here big block builds hoping to get 600-650 hp and go fast....faster than my 606 hp small block ? should I go big block to get better et's ?

I'm confused.....................

Dan
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because it's easier and cheaper to do with a BB especially in b-body. I'd also wager a 500ci wedge, even w/ the same HP #'s will have lots more torque and at a lower rpm. It will also require less converter and gear to do the same work. But to each his own.


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I had the pleasure of installing a starter last night on my big block Duster.
Pull steering column, remove valve cover, wrestle with starter for an hour or so just trying to get fingers in there, try to remove starter wires, wrestle new starter in there, fight wires again, install steering column, drink a cold one. 2 hour process.

Anyone want to buy a healthy big block?




I do I do that is if i had the money. lol so far i have been in the mid 10 with my mild stock stroke pump gas 440 in my 73 dodge dart. but there are some very empresive small blocks are here too.


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Re: Who needs a big block ? [Re: mopar65] #1778409
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I had the pleasure of installing a starter last night on my big block Duster.
Pull steering column, remove valve cover, wrestle with starter for an hour or so just trying to get fingers in there, try to remove starter wires, wrestle new starter in there, fight wires again, install steering column, drink a cold one. 2 hour process.

Anyone want to buy a healthy big block?




I do I do that is if i had the money. lol so far i have been in the mid 10 with my mild stock stroke pump gas 440 in my 73 dodge dart. but there are some very empresive small blocks are here too.




Mine in my Duster is not so bad with the RB....I have fender well headers and a Magnumforce k-member....But the Hemi might route the headers that way, so I might end up in the same position at a later date.


'70 Cuda,...605 EFI Hemi Street Car (6.20 best pass, 1.33 60ft)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYw6RA-k5Bk (6.25 at 108.75mph from inside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zQEb9uxFng (6.25 at 108mph from outside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCvfzsC4NgM (9.9)

'66 Barracuda AWB Stretched nose Blown 440 Car in build stage

'71 Duster Drag Car 400 Low Deck 512 best 6.002 at 115.44mph
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Znuo3jMUXTk
Re: Who needs a big block ? [Re: Wedgeman] #1778410
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I get 900 ft lbs of torque out of my smallblock....
But I don't believe for a second that I couldn't get more than that out of a bigblock with the same approach. I'm thinking of skipping both ideas and just going for a modern Hemi.

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