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Re: NEW DART MOPAR BLOCKS !!!!!
[Re: DaveRS23]
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03/13/15 10:09 PM
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I tried to make this point in an earlier post. We are just too fractured up to have any real shot at enough volume to support the development and production of anything. Which is a big part of why we haven't had any consistent block production up to this point.
And the new Gen 3 stuff just splits the pie further. Sure, the new Hemi stuff is bringing some new guys to the party. But not in enough numbers to justify new blocks I suspect. And it does pull some support from previous offerings.
If most of us ran small blocks or ran big blocks/Gen 2 Hemis or ran Gen 3 Hemis we still would still have the divide between race blocks that look different vs stock appearing blocks. By and large, the street guys are a different market than the racers. Heck, there were guys that complained about the weight of the World BB/Hemi blocks. (I was one of them)
Even if there is enough of a letter campaign to get a new batch of blocks into production, there has to be enough sales to make it a success. If not, everyone will know it and there will never be anyone to take the gamble on us again.
As always, we just need more Mopar guys.
I would like to see some serious big block mopars but also some serious heads to go with it. Why have a block good to 3000+ hp but have a head that is still conventional big block mopar valve placement!
2000 Dakota R/T, 408 magnum, 727, Indy heads 1000cfm 4150 carb, 93 octane fuel. motor; 10.258 @ 132.78 200 shot; 9.262 @ 144.69 racemagnum
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Re: NEW DART MOPAR BLOCKS !!!!!
[Re: slammedR/T]
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03/13/15 10:42 PM
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Why have a block good to 3000+ hp but have a head that is still conventional big block mopar valve placement!
Because too many guys won't buy it if it doesn't look like a 906 or it has symmetrical intake and exhaust ports. As a whole we are dinosaurs.
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Re: NEW DART MOPAR BLOCKS !!!!!
[Re: justinp61]
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03/13/15 11:05 PM
03/13/15 11:05 PM
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Why have a block good to 3000+ hp but have a head that is still conventional big block mopar valve placement!
Because too many guys won't buy it if it doesn't look like a 906 or it has symmetrical intake and exhaust ports. As a whole we are dinosaurs.
I know, Mopar guys are wierd, and don't even get me started on turbo dodge guys 
I went small block because it is what i played with, what I had, and the small blocks handle same power as the big blocks with out all the expensive "tricks" to make them live.
2000 Dakota R/T, 408 magnum, 727, Indy heads 1000cfm 4150 carb, 93 octane fuel. motor; 10.258 @ 132.78 200 shot; 9.262 @ 144.69 racemagnum
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Re: NEW DART MOPAR BLOCKS !!!!!
[Re: DaveRS23]
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03/14/15 03:20 AM
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I tried to make this point in an earlier post. We are just too fractured up to have any real shot at enough volume to support the development and production of anything. Which is a big part of why we haven't had any consistent block production up to this point.
And the new Gen 3 stuff just splits the pie further. Sure, the new Hemi stuff is bringing some new guys to the party. But not in enough numbers to justify new blocks I suspect. And it does pull some support from previous offerings.
If most of us ran small blocks or ran big blocks/Gen 2 Hemis or ran Gen 3 Hemis we still would still have the divide between race blocks that look different vs stock appearing blocks. By and large, the street guys are a different market than the racers. Heck, there were guys that complained about the weight of the World BB/Hemi blocks. (I was one of them)
Even if there is enough of a letter campaign to get a new batch of blocks into production, there has to be enough sales to make it a success. If not, everyone will know it and there will never be anyone to take the gamble on us again.
As always, we just need more Mopar guys.
I agree with all you said there. The last line has troubled me for a long time. We have few in our ranks, but damn our cars generate some big bucks. Its like we have 5000 guys who each have 6 cars and are willing to buy junkers for 8k all day long. That puts a crimp on the funds to buy parts like aftermarket blocks. Non-car people say things like "oh that is a good cheap way to have fun. You can still get those old Dodges for 200 bucks, right?" Its like nobody has a concept that an old dodge is worth more than well an old dodge.
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Re: NEW DART MOPAR BLOCKS !!!!!
[Re: pittsburghracer]
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03/14/15 08:11 PM
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wow,was not aware of that,have not spoke with him in many moons,i know he was aggrevated with the block and head situation also a while back.i still believe a good replacement block that addresses all the issues we face with nothing exotic could easily be priced affordably.maybe not as cheap as a cheby block,but well under what is available now....
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Re: NEW DART MOPAR BLOCKS !!!!!
[Re: pittsburghracer]
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03/15/15 04:16 PM
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It was earlier said that the World RB type block would find most buyers. If production resumes I would ask the maker to consider two things:
1. The use of the factory type hydraulic roller lifter while keeping the existing oil system. Todays engine oil isnīt designed for flat tappet cams.
2. Use of the small block bellhousing bolt pattern. Most buyers want to use the overdrive auto transmission without the complexity of an adapter.
Last edited by MikeN; 03/15/15 04:19 PM.
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Re: NEW DART MOPAR BLOCKS !!!!!
[Re: MikeN]
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03/15/15 04:23 PM
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Nobody including World is casting blocks right now...Fiat is not at all concerned with aftermarket support...I wonder if they started getting phone calls, letters, and emails if someone over there would even notice?
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Re: NEW DART MOPAR BLOCKS !!!!!
[Re: Twostick]
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03/15/15 08:12 PM
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the problem with lobbying the factory is getting the letters,e-mails or whatever to the right desk,been that route already also,and its a huge corporation with endless paper trails.inside information would be the best,as in exactly who has the horsepower to start the process.the factory generic customer support is useless.mopar performance does not have any real help desk so to speak of and trying to get dept information is highly impossible without insider knowledge.that kind of information is generally not available to the public and no access is available to the company executive directory.if anybody knows who runs the program post that information so that another e-mail attack campaign can begin.any body that can rattle some cages in the right places would be positive....on a side note,all this block talk seems to have brought used blocks out of the woodwork lately for sale.all at a bend over price.i guess the new motto is "grandma needs a new wheel chair,lets charge her double"......... 
Last edited by dakotawilly; 03/15/15 11:58 PM.
SFI 25.5 depends,no leak,even at 213 mph....
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Re: NEW DART MOPAR BLOCKS !!!!!
[Re: SomeCarGuy]
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03/16/15 09:24 PM
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David Hakim used to post here and he worked for MP. maybe the best bet for any company would be to attempt to buy the tooling from Fiat. FCA might not care and certainly this isn't in their main scope. A foundry might be able to service a niche market profitably. A lot of the problem with MP seems to just be a lack of focus and that has hurt their image with the core customer. The megablocks were the one item people were willing to source from them, but they never have made a consistent effort to get them in the streets. 
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Re: NEW DART MOPAR BLOCKS !!!!!
[Re: KD800X]
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03/16/15 09:45 PM
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This is the guy running it now, full blooded Italian. I get the feeling he would like to see more "body kits" on new Darts than a Race block that you would have to be on a creeper under the car to see what "brand" it is. http://media.chrysler.com/newsrelease.do...795&mid=361
Last edited by 72Swinger; 03/16/15 09:45 PM.
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Re: NEW DART MOPAR BLOCKS !!!!!
[Re: pittsburghracer]
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03/29/15 10:42 PM
03/29/15 10:42 PM
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even hemphill doesnt run a mopar motor anymore,and he builds mopars !!!
Tom H. gave up racing several years ago. Still has the car but he's on a LONG break and helping others.
I have a view from the other side to throw in this conversation
I have built and race Mopars only for 25 years or more--I came home from the hospital in a 50 Plymouth and I LOVE me some Mopars but...
I recently started racing and playing with a front engine dragster nostalgia car that happens to sport a 350 sbc I built the engine that is in the car from Craigslist parts, some nice new rockers and valve springs etc--a new set of rods and some nice machine work --I bet I don't have $2000 in it less the stack fuel injection Hilborn unit which I did buy at the flea market with a fuel pump for a mere $600! It is running mid five second range and I have to say....I can stop on the way home from work for milk and they have dome pistons for it on the shelf! It is easy as can be to score quality parts.
Now...I am serious about building some real power and started shopping for real race parts and it is an EYE OPENER--My local warehouse has 6 different blocks in stock--dozens of rod choices and cranks, etc It is always in stock.
The crazy amount of quality used parts is simply stunning!
It is refreshing and has made building a good race piece reasonable $$$
We as Mopar Guys have been paying a "Mopar Tax" on everything we have ever bought--- and even though we now enjoy more parts than ever in the aftermarket--we are light years behind on heads alone--
I run my cars for the love of speed and competition--not because I support some brand that has never cared about little ole me.
A good look from the other bench can be an eye opener and good learning experience.
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