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Heat cracking on main journal, is it safe?? #1764149
02/27/15 03:57 AM
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Back when I was running the 4 speed on my duster and the friction plate blew apart it took my rear main bearing out slightly. To get back racing I just threw another rear main bearing in and ran it for 5 years until I took it apart this winter. Sent the crank in for mag and Polish and/or grind. The mag results came back and that rear main has some heat cracking. It's just in the flat, the radius is not affected. What would you guys do? I was thinking of grinding it .010 and using it. Or should I use a different crank?


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Re: Heat cracking on main journal, is it safe?? [Re: DemonDust] #1764150
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i would have it ground and re check for cracks .

grinding .010 onlyy removes .005 of the surface.

may have to go more to remove cracks depending on depth of cracks .

when cracks are gone it will be good as new .

Re: Heat cracking on main journal, is it safe?? [Re: DemonDust] #1764151
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In which direction is the crack? If lengthwise, you may run it. My

Re: Heat cracking on main journal, is it safe?? [Re: Oyvind Mopar] #1764152
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The cracks are going across the journal, not around it.


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Re: Heat cracking on main journal, is it safe?? [Re: DemonDust] #1764153
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So you have probably ran with it for some time. Measure it, keep the records and run it! Check it next time you pull it, and compare, if it grows you need to do something. I guess it is a Bryant or Winberg crank, and they are heat treated on the surface? If you grind it the surface will be softer and less fatigue resistant.

Re: Heat cracking on main journal, is it safe?? [Re: Oyvind Mopar] #1764154
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Thanks for mentioning that. I knew but forgot about it. Will polishing remove the hardened area? I'm gonna call Winberg tomorrow and ask them now. Glad I didn't go ahead and grind it yet.


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Re: Heat cracking on main journal, is it safe?? [Re: DemonDust] #1764155
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Yes, I would absolutely ask the supplier, as you have the crank number, and they have the file on metallurgy, treatment etc. and know how to treat it correctly. When cranks are that optimized there is not much margin against weakening it. I doubt polishing it will be any issue, you do not take away measurable amounts. Good luck, and keep us informed!

Re: Heat cracking on main journal, is it safe?? [Re: Oyvind Mopar] #1764156
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I will let you know what I find out. Might end up having them fix it.


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Re: Heat cracking on main journal, is it safe?? [Re: DemonDust] #1764157
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IMHO that's the only way to do it. Get some money out of savings and send the crank back to Winberg with request to make it okay again.
He's one of the best crank guys on the planet, why would you entrust it to anyone else?

R.

Re: Heat cracking on main journal, is it safe?? [Re: dogdays] #1764158
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I called Winberg and they don't do repairs. They have a guy that does it on the side if I wanted. The guy on the phone told me any good machine shop that can get it nitrided again will be fine.


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Re: Heat cracking on main journal, is it safe?? [Re: DemonDust] #1764159
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So, then you know you can fix it, if needed. Great!

Re: Heat cracking on main journal, is it safe?? [Re: Oyvind Mopar] #1764160
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Yes that is great news indeed. There is a very reputable machine shop in the area that does this. Kilpatrick engine and trans. They have a state of the art machine shop.


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Re: Heat cracking on main journal, is it safe?? [Re: DemonDust] #1764161
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If you want a 2nd opinion you may want to give http://www.shaftech.com/ a call.

Rod

Re: Heat cracking on main journal, is it safe?? [Re: BPE] #1764162
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It would be interesting to know what would cause a crack of this nature. Is it going to open up and peel away the bearing surface? Probably wouldn't notice it till it was to late with a high RPM engine that you have.



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Re: Heat cracking on main journal, is it safe?? [Re: BPE] #1764163
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Quote:

If you want a 2nd opinion you may want to give http://www.shaftech.com/ a call.

Rod




I called them. They said I might want to be careful with nitriding the crank if the cracks aren't gone. He said more than likely .020 won't get rid of them. So if the crank would get nitrided again the cracks could open up and cause a squeegee effect on the bearing. Problem is the number 5 bearing is the hardest of all to work on. And most expensive. He said he'd check it for round and if that's good he'd run it since I've been running it for 5 years with no issues. He said it's not going to crack anymore than it already is.

If I want to fix it and bring it back up to stock size it would be around $600.


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