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440 hp
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I'm wondering if HP is stamped on the front pad on all 440's that are hp's.
I have a 1970 F motor with 6 pack rods but the top stampings I am only finding 440
Thanks!
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Re: 440 hp
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I will check on bearings, it's apart but looks to have been the first time apart. It looks to have been painted orange but the oil pan is blue. It's 1970 and has externally balanced vibration damper.. flat top pistons
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Re: 440 hp
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I'm wondering if HP is stamped on the front pad on all 440's that are hp's.
I have a 1970 F motor with 6 pack rods but the top stampings I am only finding 440 and the #2
Thanks!
What exactly is stamped on the pad ? Photo would be nice .
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Re: 440 hp
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Here is what I have I will post a few pictures. The block has no stampings on vin pad. I was told this would be acceptable for a 1970 6 pack warranty block.
My question is will it be acceptable?
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Re: 440 hp
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Blank vin pad
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Re: 440 hp
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truck engines/transmission did NOT have VIN stampings in the early '70s - there is no "F" or "HP" on the top pad .....
Friday 7*24*70 cast date
earliest possible (4 26) assembly date Monday 4/26/71
Would a Truck engine have the model year on it ?
What he has there is a 440 that was assembled on 4/26 and as Dan states the earliest possible assembly date of that block for that stamped date would be 1971 , but there is no way of knowing if that is the case here as Chrysler didn't have the greatest inventory control back then ... at least that is what I have read on the interwebs ...
Looking at the picture of the vin pad it's not clear enough for me to say what I am thinking so I won't ...
As far as a warranty block , do you have factory/dealer paperwork that shows that this particular car had an engine block replaced under warranty ?
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Re: 440 hp
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Another vin pad you can see there was never any stampings
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Re: 440 hp
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I've never noticed an original used block with no paint in the nooks & crannies, but it does appear to have yellow highlight paint over the date & casting number on the passenger side. I see the orange paint in the top pad pic, but is it anywhere else? No warranty tag rivet/hole/other evident.  Six pack pistons had valve reliefs - what's the cast number on those, maybe someone can ID them as high or low compression.
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Re: 440 hp
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The 908 is a forging number.
Trucks had the same stamping on the engine ID pad as passenger cars, except that there was also a "T" after the "G440" Later blocks used the year's last digit, those had a "T" in front of the "440", like "6T440". If they were truck blocks they will have another "T" behind the "440" somewhere, like "6T440T".
As this shortblock was put together in 1971, when the 908 rods were plentiful, it could have been just another Mopar mistake, but at least they got the right balancer for it.
If it has not been taken apart, wouldn't an HP engine have a higher lift camshaft?
My money is on it not being an HP engine.
But, as it is not the original block for the car, that has much less meaning to me.
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Re: 440 hp
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My 383 warranty block looked like that too.
His pad has the machining marks but they don't appear to be as deep. Any letters stamped on it would be as deep as the machining marks so it might be legit.
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Re: 440 hp
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Balancer piston rod
Looks like no valve reliefs in that piston so its not a 6pk piston, 440-4 bbl, both HP and non HP, piston.
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Re: 440 hp
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Here's pictures of pistons and rods. Rods are part number 295108. On opposite sides of the rods MS3049
Pistons are part number 3418231. Also have "F"'s on the sides of the pistons.
What I am looking for is an answer to the question what can I call this motor. Can I consider this an over the counter motor factor motor to be correct in a 1970 car. I have a picture of the balencer coming soon.
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Re: 440 hp
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Here's pictures of pistons and rods. Rods are part number 295108. On opposite sides of the rods MS3049
Pistons are part number 3418231. Also have "F"'s on the sides of the pistons.
What I am looking for is an answer to the question what can I call this motor. Can I consider this an over the counter motor factor motor to be correct in a 1970 car. I have a picture of the balencer coming soon.
No, the rods are casting # 2951908 which corresponds to part number 2951906. As I said earlier these rods were used on 1970 - 1975 HP and Truck motors.
The balancer should give you more clues...if you can't find the number, check to see if the bolt holes are symetrical or not.
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Re: 440 hp
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Here is the blasted balacer. Holes are not symmetrical and I can't find a part number.
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Re: 440 hp
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The balancer appears to be a 3512017 which was used on HP and truck motors in '70 & '71. This combined with the rods point to a '70 - '71 HP or truck shortblock but with no VIN stamping, and based on the casting date(and the lack of a warranty tag/pin), it would appear to be an over-the-counter 440 in 1971. I'm not sure if such over the counter engines were stamped HP or not. The pistons say it wasn't a six pack engine when put together originally.  Dave
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I was thinking the same thing as John at first, but I can see the machine marks....looks like someone spent some time with a wire wheel but they appear to still be there. 
