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440 hp #1751386
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I'm wondering if HP is stamped on the front pad on all 440's that are hp's.
I have a 1970 F motor with 6 pack rods but the top stampings I am only finding 440

Thanks!

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Not uncommon to find the fat rods in engine other than HP engines, don't mean that are HPs in disguise. With that said, never say never, we are talking about humans at their best here. But in the end a block is just a block and only worth it's stampings.


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The six-pack rods were also used on some late 70's 440s that were put into trailer homes and earlier blocks that were used for trucks and vans.

The 1975 block I put in my Barracuda came from a Winnebago and it had the heavier 6-pack rods and a forged crank.

Re: 440 hp [Re: 71duster414] #1751389
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Has it ever been apart? Lots happens in 45 years, what are the dates on the bearings?

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I will check on bearings, it's apart but looks to have been the first time apart. It looks to have been painted orange but the oil pan is blue. It's 1970 and has externally balanced vibration damper.. flat top pistons

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I'm wondering if HP is stamped on the front pad on all 440's that are hp's.
I have a 1970 F motor with 6 pack rods but the top stampings I am only finding 440 and the #2

Thanks!




What exactly is stamped on the pad ? Photo would be nice .

Re: 440 hp [Re: 71duster414] #1751392
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All 1970 - 1975 440 HP and Truck motors used the misnamed "six pack" rods, casting 2951908.


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Here is what I have I will post a few pictures. The block has no stampings on vin pad. I was told this would be acceptable for a 1970 6 pack warranty block.
My question is will it be acceptable?


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Blank vin pad

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Re: 440 hp [Re: 71duster414] #1751397
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I'm almost sure that block was not a 1970 production block, Mopar use to close the assembly lines down in June As far as a factory replacement block made in 1970 yes I couldn't see the assembly date in your picture, what is it?


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Re: 440 hp [Re: Cab_Burge] #1751398
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truck engines/transmission did NOT have VIN stampings in the early '70s - there is no "F" or "HP" on the top pad .....

Friday 7*24*70 cast date
earliest possible (4 26) assembly date Monday 4/26/71

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Here is what I have I will post a few pictures. The block has no stampings on vin pad. I was told this would be acceptable for a 1970 6 pack warranty block.
My question is will it be acceptable?




Not from my understanding, no HP on the block meeans not and HP or 6 pack shortblock. Build date indicates built in 71 as pointed out, no VIN stamp indicates an over the counter block not necessarily a warranty block. This was a standard replacement short or long block built in 71, not an accurate replacement for a 6 pack replacement engine.


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Re: 440 hp [Re: 6bblgt] #1751400
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truck engines/transmission did NOT have VIN stampings in the early '70s - there is no "F" or "HP" on the top pad .....

Friday 7*24*70 cast date
earliest possible (4 26) assembly date Monday 4/26/71




Would a Truck engine have the model year on it ?

What he has there is a 440 that was assembled on 4/26 and as Dan states the earliest possible assembly date of that block for that stamped date would be 1971 , but there is no way of knowing if that is the case here as Chrysler didn't have the greatest inventory control back then ... at least that is what I have read on the interwebs ...

Looking at the picture of the vin pad it's not clear enough for me to say what I am thinking so I won't ...

As far as a warranty block , do you have factory/dealer paperwork that shows that this particular car had an engine block replaced under warranty ?


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The VIN pad appears to be the cleanest part of the engine we've seen - but there is also NO series digit on the top pad (F = 1970, G = 1971, etc. ) to represent the model year the engine was intended for.

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Another vin pad you can see there was never any stampings


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