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Cam options for 11 second 440? #1747822
02/06/15 01:21 PM
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Hi everyone, im currently assembling a 440 for my dart and need help choosing a cam for it. Its going to mainly be a street car but I also want it to preform well at the strip. Keep in mind im at 6000ft altitude! Im wanting to get into the 11s if possible but yet attain good driveability.

Heres the setup so far:
-Stock bore 440, forged crank, LY rods with arp bolts, 10.1 compression
-Ported 213 heads, stock valves, comp retainers/locks/springs
-Holley Street Dominator intake
-2" headers
-4500 8" dynamic stall, 3.91 gears
-3200lb Dart

I was looking at the Comp xe275HL cam, or a similar lunati 276/284 cam. Let me know what you all think as far as what cam I should use.
Thanks!

Re: Cam options for 11 second 440? [Re: CoDart] #1747823
02/06/15 03:26 PM
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I would look at the next bigger Comp Cams grind XE285HL instead, I have similar motors with both cams, one with the XE295HL also The bigger XE285HL makes more HP and torque than the smaller one your wanting to use Racing and driving at your altitude ends up making the motor struggle to fill the cylinders with air and fuel, especially at WOT. A motor like your building needs all the help it can get to make power.I live at 4300 Ft and race at 2500 Ft where the density altitude will go up to 4000 Ft density altitude during the summer. This is a peice of cake to race at compared to LACR in
Palmdale SO CA where I use to race at when the density altitude would be 4500 Ft at 10:00 AM and be at 7700 Ft at 3:30 in the afternoon in the summer Your converter and gear will help you a bunch What size carb and rear tires are you running?


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Re: Cam options for 11 second 440? [Re: Cab_Burge] #1747824
02/06/15 04:08 PM
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What rockers are you running or wanting to run? Stock or ?

Re: Cam options for 11 second 440? [Re: DaytonaTurbo] #1747825
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I currently have the 275/50/15 ET street radial tires. As for a carb, I may try a good ol thermoquad. Great for the street and WOT performance. I have a wideband o2 sensor as well so I can tune it.
Stock rockers will not be used, Im going to be using crane cams iron rockers

Re: Cam options for 11 second 440? [Re: CoDart] #1747826
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Is there a reason you were looking at a hydraulic cam instead of a solid?

Re: Cam options for 11 second 440? [Re: DaytonaTurbo] #1747827
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Mainly because I already have springs suited for a hydraulic cam more so then a solid. These 213 heads dont have the room for dual springs, I would need to get them machined if I did, but in that case I might as well save for some aluminum heads!

Re: Cam options for 11 second 440? [Re: CoDart] #1747828
02/06/15 08:59 PM
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Here's a stout little spring that will work on a flat tappet. Not expensive either
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/kmo-k-800

Re: Cam options for 11 second 440? [Re: roadhazard] #1747829
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there are solid lifter cams out there that don't require dual springs. i run an engle k65 with a single spring, the mopar 284/.528 works without duals, comp cams has a few, etc.

Re: Cam options for 11 second 440? [Re: lewtot184] #1747830
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it might be to late if you already have the headers but I think 2in headers will be to much I would look into 1 7/8in


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Re: Cam options for 11 second 440? [Re: clonedshaker+6] #1747831
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Don't overlook the Hughes Engine cams. I've used Summit, Lunati and Comp (roller and flat tappet -- all good). The Hughes is by far my favorite- torque and HP in at reasonable rpm.

Re: Cam options for 11 second 440? [Re: CoDart] #1747832
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Ran the XE275HL in my 440 Valiant. Went low 12s-12.0 all day. switched to the Comp XS290 mechanical and now runs low 11s.

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Re: Cam options for 11 second 440? [Re: CoDart] #1747833
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With the 2"tubes and that converter I would go with the XE295 Comp cam but I would ditch the TQ carb and go with an 850 Holley
The smallest carb I would consider is a 750 from Quickfuel.
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Re: Cam options for 11 second 440? [Re: CoDart] #1747834
02/08/15 01:33 PM
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at 6000' You'll need a 10.50 motor or better at sea level. I'd call a custom cam guy and ask. If you were at sea level or close I'd say slam a 509 in it and call it a day.


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Re: Cam options for 11 second 440? [Re: R/T1968R/T] #1747835
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Quote:

Ran the XE275HL in my 440 Valiant. Went low 12s-12.0 all day. switched to the Comp XS290 mechanical and now runs low 11s.




This is the cam I'm running and you can run a single on it, 252/260 @ .050 540/558 lift, 110 LSA. Haven't had it to the strip yet but it runs real strong and turns 6.5-7K like a switch, really strong top end. The duals comp recommends (925)for it are milder than many singles.

IMO even at sea level you will not get an 11 second slip with the cam you're looking at. You will need closer to 245-250. If you don't want to splurge for adjustable valve train the Comp Magnum series are decent cams for single springs (the 292 may fit the bill for you with 244 @ .050 and will take a single spring, stock rockers fine) or the tried and true DC 509, or the Comp version of it.

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Re: Cam options for 11 second 440? [Re: CoDart] #1747836
02/08/15 07:05 PM
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How about a stock cam & 2-stages of nitrous....just saying


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