Re: blown hemi questions ??
[Re: DaveRS23]
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02/06/15 01:32 PM
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He spec'd a 10-71 on this 505" engine. So, based on that, I wouldn't think that a 6-71 would be too bad on a non-race 426.
Don't the 10-71s have a bigger base than the 6-71? Are there intakes still out there for the different blower bases?
http://www.goodvibesracing.com/
Just an FYI, in the original Detroit Diesel terminology the 6-71 blower sizing referred to 6 cylinders displacing 71 cubic inches per cylinder per revolution, oddly enough exactly 426 inches. Not an exact science for sure, but a decent 6-71 would be more than adequate for a streetable setup on gas without a lot of overdrive. The stud pattern on the manifolds are all the same from 6-71's to 14's. The openings are the difference with the larger blowers obviously having longer openings, at least on the older standard helix blowers. On the top side, the bolt spacing front to back on the 6's and 8's is 13.25" and on 10's through 14-71's the bolt spacing is 15.25" so you have to take that into account when you shop for a carb spacer.
X2 on GoodVibrations, also you might look at www.RBSSuperchargers.com
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Re: blown hemi questions ??
[Re: 23T Hemmee]
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02/06/15 02:42 PM
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He spec'd a 10-71 on this 505" engine. So, based on that, I wouldn't think that a 6-71 would be too bad on a non-race 426.
Don't the 10-71s have a bigger base than the 6-71? Are there intakes still out there for the different blower bases?
http://www.goodvibesracing.com/
Just an FYI, in the original Detroit Diesel terminology the 6-71 blower sizing referred to 6 cylinders displacing 71 cubic inches per cylinder per revolution, oddly enough exactly 426 inches. Not an exact science for sure, but a decent 6-71 would be more than adequate for a streetable setup on gas without a lot of overdrive. The stud pattern on the manifolds are all the same from 6-71's to 14's. The openings are the difference with the larger blowers obviously having longer openings, at least on the older standard helix blowers. On the top side, the bolt spacing front to back on the 6's and 8's is 13.25" and on 10's through 14-71's the bolt spacing is 15.25" so you have to take that into account when you shop for a carb spacer.
X2 on GoodVibrations, also you might look at www.RBSSuperchargers.com
A 6-71 Detroit is only 426 cubes but it also only turns 2100 RPM.
The problem you are going to run into with that size blower is in order to get enough boost out of it to make your number (if it is even possible), you are going to have to overdrive the wee out of it. That will generate an astronomical amount of intake air temp. Not good.
You need to figure out what RPM you are comfortable building the motor for and then how much boost it will take to make 850 hp.
I would try to size the blower to make that boost number at 1:1.
Kevin
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Re: blown hemi questions ??
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02/06/15 03:52 PM
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The original aftermarket 6:71 came in two size, standard size case and large bore cases, which one is for sale ? I dyno tested a LS6 BB 454 Chevy that had a small bore 6:71 on it with two 650 Holley double pumpers, I got it to make 720 HP at 7 lbs with 15% overdrive at 6500 RPM on CA pump gas, it made a tiny bit over 600 HP at 3 lbs of boost at 6000 RPM. My point is your better off running the bigger blower slower to make the same boost and keep the manifold inlet temps down Think of the blower like a Carb, at part throttle you control how much air the motor sees, at WOT throttle the smallest parts in the inatke system limit the air flow As far as the blower size on any Hemi, 1st,2nd, or 3rd Gen I would run the biggest I thought I would ever want, buy it once As already mentioned when you get into blowers the standard street blowers will have standard rotors in them, if you want to hop the motor up later with the same blower you can have them converted to High Helix for more air flow Speeding the blower up to make more power is okay to a certain point, when the manifold inlet temps get out of hand by speeding the blower up to make more boost on gasoline you will hurt the motor On your motor now with a large bore 6:71 to make 7lbs you might need 20% overdrive and have MIT of 250 F , using a standard 10:71 you may need 3% over drive to make the same amount of (7 lbs) boost with 130 F inlet temps Buy the bigger one Besides you know bigger is more impressive, correct
Mr.Cab Racing and winning with Mopars since 1964. (Old F--t, Huh)
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Re: blown hemi questions ??
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02/06/15 03:53 PM
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I think an 8-71 would work great on that size engine. My street driven 528 Hemi Duster had a cough-cough....BDS 8-71 street blower (non-stripped). It's best pass was a "not clean at all" 9.16 at 3,400 lbs. That was with 11 lbs. of boost.
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Re: blown hemi questions ??
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02/06/15 04:57 PM
02/06/15 04:57 PM
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I am NO expert,but I did stay in a holiday inn once My 545 stock iron headed hemi made a little over 900hp with 10 lbs of boost.
HEMI-ITIS has no cure. My condition is fully BLOWN!!
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Re: blown hemi questions ??
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02/07/15 01:22 AM
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Re: blown hemi questions ??
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02/07/15 01:23 AM
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I am NO expert,but I did stay in a holiday inn once My 545 stock iron headed hemi made a little over 900hp with 10 lbs of boost.
If you where runnng the pulleys like mark on the top of that sheet I would say it was 19.4 % underdriven which would make since with 4 lbs of boost like marked on the top of that sheet The last 426 Street Hemi motor(484 C.I. I think, 4.25 bore with 4.375 stroke ))I built and dyno tested made 7.0 lbs boost at 7300 RPM with 12 % undrive pulleys on it and it made 924 HP at 7300 RPM with a 10:71 Littlefield street blower and two 1150 Carb Shop blower Dominator carbs using CA pump swill with 33 degrees total timing. We swapped the pulleys (to 13% overdrive)and dyno it with VP C12 race gas and the motor made 1027 HP at 6500 RPM with 25 degrees total timing making 12 lbs of boost, it started to detonate after 6500 RPM so we stop the pull The manifold inlet temps where getting hotter also with the increase amount blower speed and boost I ended up swapping the pulleys back to 12 % underdrive and told the customer to get good at handling that amout of power in his car and when he got another set of wheels and real race tires( his car had a set of M/T 17x29x15 Sportman Pro on 15 inch wide wheels then ) it to call me to hop it up more later. He sold the car before getting the motor running in the car That orange 1971 Cuda ended up being featured in one of the smaller Mopar related magazines, A chef in Plam Springs ,CA bought it and had someone else finish the car according to the magazine article. I talked to the original owner after he sent me a copy of that magazine and ask him about the changes to his old motor, he said there was no changes to the motor, it was installed and ran as it was the day it came off the dyno the day we dyno tested it Hemi motors need air and fuel to make power, more air and fuel makes more power
Mr.Cab Racing and winning with Mopars since 1964. (Old F--t, Huh)
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Re: blown hemi questions ??
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02/07/15 01:46 AM
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Cab,was that with iron heads?Seems like 12 lbs is the ceiling before the heat factor.I'm thinking water/meth to raise the ceiling a tad. So far my 3900 lb brick has managed a best et of 9.88 and 140 mph with a terrible 60 ft.6.4's in the 1/8 @ 112mph. Want to try some more boost and find that ceiling
HEMI-ITIS has no cure. My condition is fully BLOWN!!
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Re: blown hemi questions ??
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02/07/15 02:28 AM
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Re: blown hemi questions ??
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02/07/15 02:34 AM
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And one of my customers with his beautiful CUDA (did I say Challenger?)
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Re: blown hemi questions ??
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02/07/15 11:19 AM
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And one of my customers with his beautiful Challenger.
Challenger?
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